Posted on May 12, 2016
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They just put in front of me a "Tele- Behavioral Health (TBH) Mental Status Examination... Special duty/ chapter discharge" Along with it is a DA Form 8001, SRMC 216, DA Form 2648 and FJ Form 635-1. I don't trust this paperwork and need help before I do anything. They are trying to Chapter me out for failing to meet Chapter 18 standards. That's fine and all but they have been real shady lately and I don't want to be fooled here. Read my other questions to see what ive been going through the last 8 months. Cant really go to anyone because they just talk and its sad I have to resort to going on here to find my answers.
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Id caution you on publicly providing too much PII (medical issues)
CHAPTER 18 - FAILURE TO MEET BODY FAT STANDARDS is not often used.. and takes some considerable effort on the units part to meet all the checks and balances put in place... IOW, a unit that is looking to involuntarily separate a SM under CHAPTER 18 - FAILURE TO MEET BODY FAT STANDARDS, likely has good standing and ethical footing to do so.. It is not a "subjective" standard, but one based on tangible, quantifiable facts, and required steps in the procedure.
Lastly, if you want readers to review other posts you have made on the issue, Id suggest you provide a link for them.. you're asking for help of the community, the least you can do is provide them the information needed to form a response.
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SGM Erik Marquez - There is nothing in connection. Those are all my posts I have put up since joining Rally Point. Within those posts are fact and the whole back stories about everything you would want and need to know. Especially the "shady" unit thing I was talking about. I have not done my Phase 2 Physical and it is scheduled for the end of the month. Nothing should be put in motion yet merely because of the fact that they don't know if I have a condition that allows me to stay in and give me time to lose the weight. They have been putting a lot of paperwork in my face and giving me no time to consult anyone else about it.
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Look at chapter 18, starting on page 108. That is the process that MUST be followed to separate a Soldier under that status.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r635_200.pdf
and chapter 3 of http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_9.pdf
details what must take place for a soldier under the program... to fail the body composition program, first you must have been enrolled in it, to include all the required steps, waiting periods, ect.
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PV2 (Join to see) - Yes my mistake, I was on my phone and the SM box next to your named appeared to be grey (unverified)
I have edited my first post, and provided additional responses.
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SGM Erik Marquez - I have been enrolled before in the body fat program from a illegal Pt test I was made to take. They made me take a pt test while on temporary profile which I know is ok to do. But they did it so I could go forward overseas and counted it as a record test when I failed the walk by 16 seconds. When I got over there I was flagged for both weight and pt. The pt test flag was removed but the weight stayed. They counseled me over there incorrectly. They didn't counsel me every month and did not give me dates of weigh in dates. I was over by 6% at the time and after about a month or 2 I was under by 3%. But they told me I was flagged the second day I had boots on the ground. They did not tell me I was flagged the week or 2 before I left. After they told me I was flagged they have like 3 days to counsel me or something like that. I didn't get counseled for a half month or maybe even a month I forget what it was. So I think I could fight it but that's not the point here. I know if I fight the chapter I could possibly end up with more shit on my plate meaning a bigger target on my head from them. Its really apparent that they are trying to get me out of here and out of their hair. A new MTOE came to the unit and the unit is cutting a lot of people. They cant send me anywhere because im on profile and have these medical issues. So they are trying there best to get me out. Yes I know that being overweight and not maintaining army standards is my fault and no one else's. I'm not here to make excuses but since I have been on this medication I am taking i have had excessive eating problems, and sleep problems. But if i were to fight anything they throw at me i feel as if they will just kick me out unhonorably. For the Article 15 I got I said the medication was the issue about how i had talked to my NCO and NCOIC and even different doctors and nothing happened. Online it says the medication shouldn't just be stopped and to consult my doctor but the Command is interfering with my medication and well being by saying i should take it while on extra duty or after which would make me a extremely high risk to get hurt while going home or working. But they are now putting mental health discharge papers in my face and handed me a preseperation checklist which on the last page has legal discharge checked by them. That says the im getting out within 90 days. I'm almost positive that this chapter would be a medical separation or discharge or even the other box that can be checked not legal? DD Form 2648 question 27 says "MY COUNSELING WAS CONDUCTED 89 DAYS OR LESS BEFORE MY SEPARATION OR RETIREMENT BECAUSE OF" which makes no sense because they have no idea i will be out within 90 days and I don't know why legal separation would be checked. With me getting out via chapter 18 that gives me a high chance of a honorable discharge and I feel if I fight there decision it wont end up good on my part.
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