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Have you ever given someone a NCOER/OER that they weren't deserving of only because you didn't want to hurt their career? I get questioned a lot about why I give 2/2's when they're a very good NCO's, whereas their peers in other units who are substandard performers are getting a better eval. It is a hard balance because you don't want to affect their career by putting them behind their peers but on the other hand you have to be honest about how we evaluate our NCO's and Officers. I know how I operate, what are your thoughts on this?
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I definitely have. I did this because the rating and reviewing chain made it understood that a failure to change my evaluation would reflect on my own upcoming evaluation.
The problem is that a good, honest, and dedicated rater will give the rated NCO a fair rating. Maybe the same NCO will do the same to his/her rated NCOs. Those honest NCOs are going to have a harder time achieving positions of authority and influence.
I was disappointed by the new NCOER that's supposed to come out because it still uses point scores. Make the whole thing a short narrative of what was accomplished and what this NCO does.
The problem is that a good, honest, and dedicated rater will give the rated NCO a fair rating. Maybe the same NCO will do the same to his/her rated NCOs. Those honest NCOs are going to have a harder time achieving positions of authority and influence.
I was disappointed by the new NCOER that's supposed to come out because it still uses point scores. Make the whole thing a short narrative of what was accomplished and what this NCO does.
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that's why I'm thankful that my rater/senior/reviewer are different (and higher up) than those of my rated NCOs. If I write you 2 success, 2 needs improvement and one excellent (you probably scored a 295 on your APFT), my counseling will support it, and I promise the senior rater will too.
If you're a 1SG, CSM, S1, XO... whoever, reviewing my NCOER, you can recommend spelling and grammatical changes, but in the end I will rate you the way you performed. Just as I expect my rating chain to do for me.
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You must be Active Duty because I spent 15yrs in Guard and the NCOER evaluation is not the same there. Its a little different in Reserves but still, having to see your soldiers once a month has an impact on how those evaluations are done.
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Top, I don't think the system will ever be perfect which is frustrating for everyone. I saw an OER where a fellow, lazy LT got the same exact evaluation as a LT who puts in 110% effort at all times. I also believe that not enough leaders/raters are utilizing the NCOER support form to do their initial, later, later, later counselings. If we utilized it, not only will it be easy to generate the NCOER on MyForms, but it will also give them guidance on how to exceed the standard and what to work on.
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1SG, I would to like to clarify something you said, " I get questioned a lot about why I give 2/2's when they're a very good NCO's, whereas their peers in other units who are substandard performers are getting a better eval."
I think what you meant to say was, " I get questeioned a lot about why my NCOs only earned a 2/2 when they're a very good NCO, whereas their peers in other units who are substandard performers are getting a better eval."
Don't want people to think the NCOER is a personal thing where you decide what they get.
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the short answer, 1SG, is no.
Have I personally given NCOs higher ratings than they deserve, maybe... I can't really say for sure. But, primarily as a rater, my excellence vs sucess vs needs improvement (some OR much) ratio is probably a little more balanced than many. I make a recommendation to the senior rater, but usually see 1/1 on most NCOERs.
I have been in the position to senior rate some SGTs (notice the difference in title), both recieved 4/5 ratings. One ended up being sent back from HRC for rater/senior rater evalations not matching. I told the rater that he could downgrade some of his successes, considering how poorly the SGT had performed over the rating period. In the end, I still refused to change my rating, so the reviewer was forced to submit a MFR along with the NCOER.
On the other hand, I have been "directed" before to change my rating because "you can't do that to his career". My response to the 1SG that had told me to change how I had rated my NCO on their NCOER, "1SG, IAW AR 623-3 you may review my NCOER for grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors, but nobody is authorized to tell me what to write... I am not doing anything to that NCO's career, their performance and refusal to fulfill their responsibilities is what will be affecting their career"
Rate fairly and stick behind what you write on the NCOER, but make sure you back it up with regular counseling. If it's not on paper prior to the end of the rating period, it doesn't count.
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No, but all EERs were inflated because if you rated totally fair, careers would have been lost.
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