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1SG Eric Rice
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1SG Haro,

PRT was developed to mitigate injuries and increase soldier fitness as a whole to include those with injuries. One of the major issues is that PRT is not implemented correctly. If we actually dive more into the publication it covers a lot more than just preparation drills, conditioning drills 1 and 2, and recovery drills. It includes Kettlebell training as well which provides for a great workout. There are also alternate exercises for those with medical restrictions in lieu of having soldiers do the overhead clap excessively. My suggestion is that each Battalion, Brigade, or installation develop a Cross Fit program for those who wish to participate. As well as send an NCO to the Master Fitness School to ensure the organizations PRT program is being conducted properly.  

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1SG Eric Rice
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SGT Mullet,

 

I'm glad that my comment was encouraging. Good luck in navigating through the publication. We as leaders need to be more engaged in the common publications that affect us on a regular basis.  

 

SFC Rice

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CPL Michael Hostutler
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Well said
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CPL Michael Hostutler
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But I think we as army need to develop fitness standards to meet our own job requirements . By doing that I think in long run we would be a stronger fighting forces cause we would have less injurys and there would be a lot less people getting disability cause not everyone's body can endure the same thing. For instance a cook does not need to be able to do 70 push-up to conduct there job all we are doing is destroying peoples bodies that we don't have to save the physical aspect to the infantry and combat arms and the tankers there the people who need to be in great shape to preform there job now don't get me wrong I agree that there should still be a weight and tape standard but I think for sure we need to relook out training standards
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I couldn't agree with you more SFC Rice
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I would have to say Cross Fit - no question.  Not to mention - that I absolutely hate PRT.
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Thank Sir, 
I am not a fan of PRT myself, but it does have an upside to it.
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CSM Aircraft Maintenance Senior Sergeant
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A lot of folks here drinking the Crossfit Koolaid. How about any exercise program done with the proper programming, frequency, and intensity. PRT can do this too. 
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1SG Whitman,

I do agree with you.  Thanks for your feedback.
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I enjoy crossfit, I also enjoy Zumba,P90x, insanity, T25, running intervals, running hill sprints...truth is, there's a lot of stuff I like, as long as it is short, intense, and painful. 
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Right!


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CW2 Terry Flood
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The Army's PRT program is to rigid and structured. It tries to use a one size fits all approach in which everyone is moving at the same tempo. Crossfit allows you to work at maximum effort and efficiency and not have to worry about the physical abilities and speed of the next guy. I am not going to the limit the number of pushups or situps or the speed I run during the APFT so why would I limit myself during training. PRT would be great if it took away some of the constraints. I am a huge fan of dynamic continous movement.
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PRT or CrossFit? Which do you think provides better results?
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In all honesty, I believe that each have their place. I have never been able to get a full hard sweat going when doing PRT, but i have been sore from doing it. But for the short time that i have done Cross Fit, i was sore for days after.

When i was in Highshcool i was a Power Lifter and i played football. Something i learned early about working out is that everyone is on different levels, and everyone has different strengths.  The standard Army PT PRT or good old 21-20, is a great base line and looks great to the public eye (read "Oh look at all those people doing synchronized PT").  But i dont believe that PRT or 21-20 could fully train a persons body. Much like public school it is for the "average" solider. and i understand that some commands have the 300 club where you can do PT on your own. But at the end it should be based on Focus groups.

This Focus group idea is where i have seen and felt that Cross Fit, and other outside the box/regulation PT is more effective over the long run.  When i arrived at my current unit, i arrived at the same time as 3 soldiers. The command put them under me and we where instructed to do PT on our own. this is a VERY unique unit. I did not do PRT nor did i do 21-20, I focused on what each soldier needed to improve on and worked those weaknesses while maintaining the strengths. Each of the soldiers improved and we had a Team average of 260. where at the beginning it was in the low two hundreds.

If i had to say which is better? Cross Fit. But taking a Private who can hardly pass a PT test, and giving him cross fit when he is not even used to doing PT? No..
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SGT Mathews,

You have added some great points thanks for you feedback.
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PRT is just a baseline for soldier conditioning. Now, if you want to improve overall performance you have to go with Crossfit.

 
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1SG and SSG,

 

The MURPH is a great workout. I keep hearing that PRT is great when performed properly. Always 'when performed properly'. The problem isn't that it isn't performed properly. Sure, the exercises are beneficial, but only to a point. When you are only working any excersie up to 10 reps, that is where your muscle memory will take you and you leave yourself with very little room to grow.

All crossfit has an element of risk to it that PRT structure practically eliminates ( I'll throw it in: "if performed properly"), but without risk, there is no reward.

My personal beleif is that your training should match mission and there should be a place for structured PT (PRT) as well as freedom to conduct training that is more relevant.

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SGT,

I was the PRT train the trainer in my previous unit and I can say that PRT can be a smoker, if the person conducting PRT can give all the transitioning commands fast and have memorize all the exercises, which I seen a lot of people lack on those two aspects.  A PRT session should be fast and precise.

I enjoyed crossfit for team/squad PT back in the day. Now I do more functional training. Deadlifting, Squatting, Pressing and Pulling movements with some plyometrics and HITT cardio sessions.


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1SG Haro,

I might have to try it with the ruck sack. Do you do a ruck run?
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SSG Cedeno, I agree with your comments on PRT. In my last unit, we had a phenomenal PT schedule based on PRT, which worked very well. You're right though that the PRT leader must know all exercises in order and be able to transition quickly. This is part of the key in keeping the heart rate up.
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Edited 12 y ago

From FM 7-22

Why is PRT a mandatory training requirement?


1-4. Physical readiness training is a mandatory training requirement because it is—


 Considered by senior leaders to be essential to individual, unit, and force readiness.


 Required by law for all individuals and units.

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Granted everyone wants Cross Fit, Insanity, P90x etc... Soldiers have off duty hours to do that if they wish. Lets stick with what the Army invested on. I invite some of you to do a session involving Prep Drill ten reps, CD1 Ten Reps; CD2 Ten Reps, CD3 Ten Reps and CL five reps. And than start all over again from CD1.

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SSG Roderick Smith
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My CDR at my last unit was a very open and innovative individual. We started conducting PRT to standard, but it was obvious that the standard wasn't well known. We set up a sort of training program where everyone had to plan and instruct a few PRT sessions, right down to the risk assessment. Once we got that down, we mixed in one session of CrossFit every week. It was turned into a competition where Soldiers were recognized for finishing at the top in timed events and improvements over past times. It was a huge success, both with unit morale and overall physical fitness. He even sent a couple NCOs to a course to become CrossFit trainers.

There are tons of exercises that can be done with PRT. If you stick with the basic PD, CD1 and 2, RD, etc., then yes it sucks and won't accomplish much. Dig deep into the reg. There is a lot there. Some of it is even CrossFit/P90X/Insanity-esque.
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What is critical to remember regardless of the physical training regimen adopted is a focus on SAFETY. With the first major, documented CrossFit injury just recently, the focus needs to return to the things we as military members have always emphasized during all phases of training, the safe execution of the task at hand.

 

While I would agree that many of the newer fitness models that emphasize rapid transitioning and multiple muscle group engagement is an excellent physical fitness exercise, we must remember that the body becomes fatigued as the workout progresses, and we have a reduction in ability to execute at the same level. With multiple muscle group engagement you may find that while you are executing a relatively lightly used muscle group in a later exercise, the supporting muscles may be fatigued, which can limit the ability to stabilize and execute a perfect repetition. This is when you open your body up for injury.

 

Regardless of the type of exercise you choose to do, ensure that you read the signs your body is giving you, and don't barrell blindly into repetition execution, ignoring potentially harmful signals that you're approaching muscle exhaustion.

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Edited 12 y ago
No question about it, Crossfit improves overall fitness, while PRT is a joke.
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The Army just became the fattest branch in the military.... I've never liked PRT. The Army spends so much time and money on failed programs and implements them by force, regardless of the lack of meaningful results. Everything from PRT to the Army APFT is inadequate and outdated for the sustainable physical fitness of todays soldiers. My suggestion is to look at the Marine Corps physical fitness program. Obviously that seems to be working.
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