Posted on Jun 8, 2015
PTSD and Military veterans that join the police force. Should pre-employment screening for PTSD be a requirement?
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California Policeman beats black woman nearly to death. Statistics show that the majority of police that commit violent crimes against American citizens are prior military. Why? Is it Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or simply hate. The U.S. Federal government is investigating. The American government and press attributed recent violence in Furguson and Baltimore to police brutality. Six police officers were subsequently arrested in Baltimore. PTSD(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) or simply hate??? Key result, police were arrested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ke6z9a5QOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ke6z9a5QOQ
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All Officers of the law should go through a Psyc eval to see if they are fit for the Job before being hired. Out of all of the officers serving in this country it is a hand full that give the rest a bad name. The press is partly to blame also, they trough fuel on a fire and make a bad situation worse.
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You are welcome SSG Erny. I am surprised that you did not apply for Warrant Officer. You have a direct, no nonsense approach, in problem solving. I have only encountered that in Warrant officers.
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The video seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the question. I do, however, wish to address one portion of your question. You mentioned a black woman and asked if it's just simply hate. If it were a white woman would it still be hate? I'm just saying that it sounds like a bit of a loaded question.
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CNN’s Brooke Baldwin Blames Vets Becoming Cops for Police Violence; ‘They come home Ready to Do Battle’
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-s-brooke-baldwin-blames-veterans-becoming-cops-police-brutality-they-re-ready-battle
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-s-brooke-baldwin-blames-veterans-becoming-cops-police-brutality-they-re-ready-battle
CNN’s Brooke Baldwin Blames Vets Becoming Cops for Police Violence; ‘They’re Ready to Do Battle’
See more in the cross-post on the NewsBusters blog. CNN’s Brooke Baldwin suggested during the Tuesday afternoon edition of CNN Newsroom that U.S. military veterans who become police officers were to blame for the recent string of violence...
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SGT Richard H.
COL (Join to see) The video in the first link was regarding a pool party in Texas and the question was about a brutality incident in California. That's what I was referring to in regards to the video having nothing to do with the question. Also, the question went toward Veterans, and I saw nothing in the video to indicate whether these officers were or weren't Veterans. Additionally, the only reason we know that this video has anything at all to do with "too many black people" is because the amateur videographer told us that with his video editing software. How do we know the incident wasn't more related to underage drinking/drugs. Every face I saw in that video was the face of a teenager.
That said, I think there would have to be some pretty specific evidence regarding PTSD or even prior Military being related to the issue of brutality, whether that be racially motivated or otherwise. What percentage of these incidents involve vets? What percentage specifically involve vets with PTSD? What percentage involve vets with and without PTSD and are racially motivated? What percentage are racially motivated and don't involve vets?
None of these statistics have been mentioned in anything you've posted so far, Sir, and to get to the heart of the question, all of them matter. The question was about Veterans and PTSD. Without these statistics, all we're doing here is a sweeping blame of police brutality incidents on Vets and then blaming PTSD, which may or may not be even remotely accurate.
One final thought: If I were to take a guess, My guess would be that Vets are actually LESS likely to perpetrate a race-based crime than the population in general. The climate and the make-up of the Armed forces tends make us all a little more understanding of not only our differences, but more importantly, our similarities.
That said, I think there would have to be some pretty specific evidence regarding PTSD or even prior Military being related to the issue of brutality, whether that be racially motivated or otherwise. What percentage of these incidents involve vets? What percentage specifically involve vets with PTSD? What percentage involve vets with and without PTSD and are racially motivated? What percentage are racially motivated and don't involve vets?
None of these statistics have been mentioned in anything you've posted so far, Sir, and to get to the heart of the question, all of them matter. The question was about Veterans and PTSD. Without these statistics, all we're doing here is a sweeping blame of police brutality incidents on Vets and then blaming PTSD, which may or may not be even remotely accurate.
One final thought: If I were to take a guess, My guess would be that Vets are actually LESS likely to perpetrate a race-based crime than the population in general. The climate and the make-up of the Armed forces tends make us all a little more understanding of not only our differences, but more importantly, our similarities.
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The Returning Military Veteran: Is Your Organization Ready?
Law enforcement agencies must adequately prepare for the return home of their deployed personnel. By Jeff Hink
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Perhaps coercion, bullying, oppression, threats and violence is not a solution, but a stalling tactic until a nonviolent solution is found. We should invest more in education, jobs, opportunities, communities that listen and respond, whatever provides hope.
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Here's a bit of a different take on this. What if law enforcement agencies are being conditioned to acting more aggressively? What if it really doesn't have to do with race, veteran status, or hatred, but with officers being conditioned to respond more aggressively?
Here's what I mean. There are a multitude of incidents being reported where LE agencies have responded with overwhelming force. They are being given military gear and training. They are involved in operations working in tandem with active military units (even SOG). The president himself has said he wants a civilian force "just as strong, just as well funded" as the military. LE agencies are routinely trampling citizens privacy with devices like Stingray, drones, and other surveillance tech.
What if, because of those contributing factors, officers were being conditioned to view the public at large as lesser beings, a nuisance, subjects? If you couple that with a prevailing sentiment that officers are no good, targeting people, not to be trusted then you have a self-perpetuating rift between those who serve and those whom they serve. Could that be the reason for the rise in aggressive or militarized behavior in LE?
Here's what I mean. There are a multitude of incidents being reported where LE agencies have responded with overwhelming force. They are being given military gear and training. They are involved in operations working in tandem with active military units (even SOG). The president himself has said he wants a civilian force "just as strong, just as well funded" as the military. LE agencies are routinely trampling citizens privacy with devices like Stingray, drones, and other surveillance tech.
What if, because of those contributing factors, officers were being conditioned to view the public at large as lesser beings, a nuisance, subjects? If you couple that with a prevailing sentiment that officers are no good, targeting people, not to be trusted then you have a self-perpetuating rift between those who serve and those whom they serve. Could that be the reason for the rise in aggressive or militarized behavior in LE?
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Maj. What do you think it is? I doubt it can be placed into either Physcholical Issues or Hate. It could be one or the other, both, or something else. I have seen statistics that state other causes to the issues on the streets.
For instance, lack of support from the community. Lack of education in the homes of the offenders. LAck of respect for authority (from both sides).
As you can see, there is a lot of "lack" in what I have seen in the past. I have gone through a lot of schools and courses, to include some taught by the FBI and the NCIS.
Whenever I find a teenager or youth heading into that wrong direction I tell them to arm themselves with knowledge and fight your battles where you can win. Battles fought on the street are a total loss (for both sides). Fighting in court brings the gabage to light. I have seen that process work better than recording yourself being a complete and utter tool bag (not you sir).
Just recently, I watched video of the police breaking up a pool party. I saw no injustice in the complete video, but I also saw the edited versions of this video and can see how people can formulate uneducated opinions on what happened.
Wrong is wrong. If you do wrong you will be wronged.
For instance, lack of support from the community. Lack of education in the homes of the offenders. LAck of respect for authority (from both sides).
As you can see, there is a lot of "lack" in what I have seen in the past. I have gone through a lot of schools and courses, to include some taught by the FBI and the NCIS.
Whenever I find a teenager or youth heading into that wrong direction I tell them to arm themselves with knowledge and fight your battles where you can win. Battles fought on the street are a total loss (for both sides). Fighting in court brings the gabage to light. I have seen that process work better than recording yourself being a complete and utter tool bag (not you sir).
Just recently, I watched video of the police breaking up a pool party. I saw no injustice in the complete video, but I also saw the edited versions of this video and can see how people can formulate uneducated opinions on what happened.
Wrong is wrong. If you do wrong you will be wronged.
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Good evening MSgt. I have simply listened to what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has said on the subject. I have not formulated an opinion beyond that.
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Sir, what do you think? Could you formulate some sort of opinion on it right now, from what you have read and seen? My opinion is based off of what I have endured, but that is from a small part and point in my life.
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Well obviously the some police have violated the constitutional rights of some American citizens. Some American citizens, via their cell phone camera's, have documented police brutality and subsequently provided the evidence to the American press. That evidence, being beyond a reasonable doubt, has forced the federal government to arrest, suspend, and end the employment of some police officers. American's, viewing the news footage of such events, have sporadically taken to the streets in protest of police brutality and voiced their opinions openly. As a result, the U.S. government has responded in support of the constitution of the United States. What is the root cause of police brutality? We do not know. It could be a number of reasons. Stress on the job, stress in their private lives, or even PTSD from military service. From the birth of our nation until now, America has survived numerous social calamities and this one is not worse than any of the others. America will survive.
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When I left the Army I went to work for my Uncle, who was a real jerk. I had another Cousin, much older than me, who worked for him, he had been a policeman for 20 years. One day my Uncle was being truly horrible to me as I stood in front of his desk ... he finally stormed out of the room.
I turned to my Cousin and asked, "When you were a policeman did they teach you ways to subdue people, like choke holds and the like?" He said, "Yes, they sure did." I looked at him and after a long pause I said, "The Army only taught me how to kill people, and I am dangerously close to jumping across my Uncles desk and doing exactly what I was trained to do." My Cousin said, "Well, I hope you don't do that."
I have PTSD and I damned sure know that I have no business being a policeman. I'm 54 now and have been out of the Army for 22 years ... I am still poised, metaphorically, on the opposite side of the desk of bad guys of all types ... and have not forgotten a single thing I was taught regarding killing them. Frankly, it scares me a little bit ... and it scares me that there are police officers who are likely even more messed up than I am.
I turned to my Cousin and asked, "When you were a policeman did they teach you ways to subdue people, like choke holds and the like?" He said, "Yes, they sure did." I looked at him and after a long pause I said, "The Army only taught me how to kill people, and I am dangerously close to jumping across my Uncles desk and doing exactly what I was trained to do." My Cousin said, "Well, I hope you don't do that."
I have PTSD and I damned sure know that I have no business being a policeman. I'm 54 now and have been out of the Army for 22 years ... I am still poised, metaphorically, on the opposite side of the desk of bad guys of all types ... and have not forgotten a single thing I was taught regarding killing them. Frankly, it scares me a little bit ... and it scares me that there are police officers who are likely even more messed up than I am.
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Major Peery it is interesting indeed. Maybe differences in the chemical composition of the Deoxy Ribonucleic acid altered the states of mind early in life resulting in a significant disparity in the two. In other words, one matured earlier than the other. That molecule that carries most of the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms, is a complex monster.
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Captain Webb yours is a remarkable story of endurance and coping. It is wonderful to know that you have a long term relationship. Someone to hold your hand and endure the human condition with you is 80% of the battle won. My brother, who suffers from PTSD, lost three wives and every job he has held since 1978. He was recently evicted from his home and now resides in a VA homeless shelter. I am sure your endurance will be an inspiration to him. It is a pleasure to have conversed with you. In the proud tradition of the Airborne, you are a proud example of "all the way and then some." I say well done and Airborne all the way!
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MAJ Ron Peery
COL (Join to see) - I think it has more to do with choices we each made, and the people we chose as friends in our early years. Still, I suppose it's possible genetics could contribute to that.
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MAJ Ron Peery
COL (Join to see) - I think the underlying difference between my brother and I is in how we deal with things. I take a (perhaps perverse) delight in dealing with the challenges life presents. My brother sees them as personal affronts.
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I am at a loss why there are any mention of PTSD, or veterans from this SHORT clip of video. There is so much unknown that we need to be VERY careful what we think we are talking about.
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MSG Brad Sand
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
Really funny video from the Chris Rock show on how not to get your ass kicked by the police. I know they are other versions of this on YouTube but this one i...
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No disrespect Sir, but using Brooke Baldwin's comments as proof only weakens one's argument. 'Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race', while tried reading, I quickly lost interest...but it is true, in my opinion with negative results...the whole discussion has been politicized. I think Chris Rock may have had the best advice on this subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
No disrespect Sir, but using Brooke Baldwin's comments as proof only weakens one's argument. 'Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race', while tried reading, I quickly lost interest...but it is true, in my opinion with negative results...the whole discussion has been politicized. I think Chris Rock may have had the best advice on this subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
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Informative and hilarious. As you know, I am sympathetic to our nations police force. I am a 15 year State of Florida Private Investigator and Security Specialist. In addition, A Hampton City and Newport News Virgina Special Police Officer, Private Investigator, and Security specialist. In addition, a Military Intelligence Officer. All that aside, your video is hilarious.
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Thank you for this service as well. I think there is much truth to what Mr. Rock was saying and I think communities and their relationship with their local law enforcement would be well served with people not trying to oppose law enforcement in the heat of the moment.
Thank you for this service as well. I think there is much truth to what Mr. Rock was saying and I think communities and their relationship with their local law enforcement would be well served with people not trying to oppose law enforcement in the heat of the moment.
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That is true but the problem we encounter when dealing with the American public is their constitutional rights. Each American citizen has the right to remain silent when questioned, the right to free speech when attempting to explain the situation, the right to freely assemble in public places. In addition, each American citizen has an unalienable right to not cooperate with the police when the law has not been violated. State law and federal law prohibits verbal abuse as well as physical abuse upon an American citizen by police officers. Title 18 United States code section 241 and 242 prohibit the police from depriving an American citizen of any right afforded to an American citizen by the constitution of the United States, state law, and federal law. The police must petition an American citizen for cooperation if the law has not been violated. If the American citizen refuses and invokes his constitutional rights, the police must retreat. Cannot unlawfully detain an American citizen to make a determination when the situation is not clear and apparent and is lacking probable cause. The police must obey those basic American freedoms that we as military servicemen are sworn to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic. I reiterate domestic. Although Chris Rock was hilarious, he was wrong in advocating the violation of constitutional rights.
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I have the same question as PO1 John Miller , what is the connection? What is the relevance?
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I direct you to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It is an FBI investigation.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/hard-truths-law-enforcement-and-race
http://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/hard-truths-law-enforcement-and-race
Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race
Georgetown University
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CNN’s Brooke Baldwin Blames Vets Becoming Cops for Police Violence; ‘They come home Ready to Do Battle’
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-s-brooke-baldwin-blames-veterans-becoming-cops-police-brutality-they-re-ready-battle
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-s-brooke-baldwin-blames-veterans-becoming-cops-police-brutality-they-re-ready-battle
CNN’s Brooke Baldwin Blames Vets Becoming Cops for Police Violence; ‘They’re Ready to Do Battle’
See more in the cross-post on the NewsBusters blog. CNN’s Brooke Baldwin suggested during the Tuesday afternoon edition of CNN Newsroom that U.S. military veterans who become police officers were to blame for the recent string of violence...
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Petty Officer fries, you may contact Special Agent in Charge Patricia M. Ferrick in New Haven. Her contact information is as follows.
600 State Street
New Haven, CT 06511
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E-mail: [login to see] .gov
She will be able to provide you with the specifics that you desire. I also encourage you to research the information on the FBI website that was provided to you in an earlier comment.
600 State Street
New Haven, CT 06511
Phone: [login to see]
Fax: [login to see]
E-mail: [login to see] .gov
She will be able to provide you with the specifics that you desire. I also encourage you to research the information on the FBI website that was provided to you in an earlier comment.
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