Posted on Apr 16, 2015
QMP Process is ineffective. What are your thoughts on this situation?
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A guy I know is getting the boot. Ranger, medic, SF, all that jazz. After 18 years in the Army for sleeping in his car after going through a divorce. Yup. Gone. I guess since he didn't have 1000 letters from generals and stuff, his time spent down in the sand was all for not. He watched friends die, saved a few, gave his blood and still, we cant articulate the sacrifice this guy gave. If you're curious, he was never even charged with a dui. Th. R local authorities wouldn't even entertain it. But he was reprimanded by his unit. What are his options now? Anyone, everyone? Give me the regulation or book where I can find it to help him. we owe our knowledge to all who have suffered from the pink slip after serving in this hellish time.
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The regulations were changed as of April of 2014 to essentially allow no appeal unless there was something wrong or misfiled in his records. The Army removed any appeal that allowed a Soldier to demonstrate improved performance and even removed the option for a battalion commander to submit an appeal on the Soldier's behalf. Even USASOC was only allowed to retain 50% of NCOs submitted for QMP. Many of these NCOs were SF and Ranger qualified with multiple specialty skills and had direct strategic level impacts. There is no option to fight it, JAG can't help, commanders can't influence the decision and civilian lawyers are a waste of money. Welcome back to the Army of the 90's where combat experience counts for nothing and grey men with "zero defects" will lead the way until the next war.
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MSG (Join to see)
I read AR 635-200 today. It still had those options available. Gonna make me go relook. I pulled the latest reg off apd website.
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PFC (Join to see)
AR 635-200 was ammended by a MILPER message dated April 2014 that eliminated many of the appeal options. AR 635-200 (dated 2011) doesn't not have the changes written into it but the MILPER message supercedes and ammends AR 635-200.
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QMP is very ineffective. Several NCO are getting the boot for minor problems. I myself and on the list and still waiting my fate. I failed a weigh in at the end of my rating period many because I had several broken bones during the time period and was on dead man's profile. That resulted in me getting a 4 on my NCOER. One I recovered I was off the program. QMP should be an option but for people who have a pattern of issue not simple mistakes.
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CPL Brittnie Frederiksen
I just want to give you some hope. This is not the worst thing that someone could do. There are many DUIs and Sexual Harrassments being discharged. If they tried, I think you might have a good chance to fight it. Don't give up. Many people are getting their answers and I'm sure yours is coming this week.
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MSG (Join to see)
Sad to hear this Nicole. I really wish you the best of luck. Hopefully you win your appeal.
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I understand the struggle you are facing MSG (Join to see). Brother, after meeting you and through discussions, I think we are from the same cloth and the problem is bigger than this individual, it is MUCH bigger than an isolated case here. I am not going to diminish the specific case here (you have my personal number and with the respect I have for you, you are ALWAYS welcome to call me on any subject, regardless of the time of day!)
We (you can see it much clearer now that you have experienced it so closely to you) have the responsibility to call the shot. We will have a changed NCOER this year due to this subject. How many of your subordinate NCOs are really a 1 - 1 performer? I mean, considering our experience and the sacrifices we've seen, now compare that to the actual organization we are in.....do we say that they are all 1 - 1 performers simply because SPC Jimmy or SGT Sally show up to work on time and have reduced the outside appointments to only three per week, that SSG John or SFC Jill improved their APFT from a 202 to a 211 they deserve to be a 1 - 1....do they really earn those excellence ratings on their report cards?
Brother, we all (on the ground level) are deciding who is staying or who is leaving our Army by the evaluations we create and in some cases that we simply give away without really being earned. It is the leadership that needed the azimuth check and that is the reason for the new NCOER. I will provide a topic later concerning what we have created (from within) which is why we are very fortunate we had a few people with the guts to call the shot and get the "system" (NCOER) changed before it continued to get out of hand.
Continue standing tall, continue supporting this professional but understand you might be surprised if you knew everything brother....often times (and I am talking from experience - very recent experience), often times we invest ourselves and fight the fight only to find out we didn't quite know the entire story. It is nit always the case however, it is often the case.
We (you can see it much clearer now that you have experienced it so closely to you) have the responsibility to call the shot. We will have a changed NCOER this year due to this subject. How many of your subordinate NCOs are really a 1 - 1 performer? I mean, considering our experience and the sacrifices we've seen, now compare that to the actual organization we are in.....do we say that they are all 1 - 1 performers simply because SPC Jimmy or SGT Sally show up to work on time and have reduced the outside appointments to only three per week, that SSG John or SFC Jill improved their APFT from a 202 to a 211 they deserve to be a 1 - 1....do they really earn those excellence ratings on their report cards?
Brother, we all (on the ground level) are deciding who is staying or who is leaving our Army by the evaluations we create and in some cases that we simply give away without really being earned. It is the leadership that needed the azimuth check and that is the reason for the new NCOER. I will provide a topic later concerning what we have created (from within) which is why we are very fortunate we had a few people with the guts to call the shot and get the "system" (NCOER) changed before it continued to get out of hand.
Continue standing tall, continue supporting this professional but understand you might be surprised if you knew everything brother....often times (and I am talking from experience - very recent experience), often times we invest ourselves and fight the fight only to find out we didn't quite know the entire story. It is nit always the case however, it is often the case.
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