Posted on Apr 2, 2015
CPT Assistant Operations Officer (S3)
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Rankism
Rankism-discrimination against people on the grounds of rank.

There has always been grudges held at the various levels but for what reason. Countless times a new 2LT walks into a situation where he is instantly disliked for merely showing up. How many times have we thought of a new Private as automatically going to make mistakes so you have to treat as such. Or, the CSM that everyone thinks they only care about Uniform violations and walking on the grass.

Recently we found that SMA Dan Dailey revise the tattoo policy. I, for one, didn't see that coming. I didn't think a new SMA would make such a change like that for soldiers. At times we feel that they are so far disconnected from the soldiers they may not have us in mind.

Is this something that we face. Do soldiers with a certain rank or position get grouped in the a mass assumption of others that had that rank in the past?
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SSgt Geospatial Intelligence (Geoint) Analyst
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The Air Force, and I'm assuming all other branches of the military, has an Enlisted Force Structure which specifically states that E-1's - E-3's responsibilities are to learn how to military. It also dictates that the ranks above them are tasked to help them learn how to military correctly.
Don't take it personally.

Perceptions of disconnections don't make it the truth.

I'm not going to answer for the awesome parking spaces at the BX/chow hall/base gym. If you're hurt that the base commander has an awesome parking spot all the time then you don't have enough to worry about and should reevaluate your life.
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CPO Greg Frazho
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Sometimes, yes. As the saying goes, rank has its privileges. That's as old as warfare itself. By the same token, pigeonholing people just because of pay grade, just because of MOS, etc., is equally as archaic.

My mantra to senior NCOs is this: ALL NCOs, E-4 or E-5 and above, depending on the branch of service, need to be enforcing standards, not just the top one or two pay grades. That frees up the senior cadre to really zero in on overarching problems like retention, quality of life, fitness and, dare I say it, MORALE, instead of nickel-and-diming people to death on otherwise minor infractions.

Yeah, it sucks being the new guy. Hell, it can really suck being the guy that isn't even in the ground forces, but is there anyway. I know that gig well. But if we take the positive attitude of 'I'm here to learn, I'm here to be value-added, I'm here to do what I can', it's amazing what we can accomplish. As Colin Powell once said famously, "Perpetual optimism is its own force-multiplier."
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SFC Thomas Chappell
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There absolutely are rankisms. It has always been this way. The difference now is we have more whiners and less disciplined Soldiers. When I started off as a dumb Private I looked at it as a chance to distinguish myself from the stereotype. 15 years later I medically retired as a SFC that was well respected by my Soldiers, peers, and senior leadership. Take the politics and other issues out of the military and remember that service members are our nations protectors and not babysitters.
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SSgt Clifton Hargus
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I was a CH-46E crew chief in the Marines. On the helicopter, there was a seat right by the main cabin door that was called the troop commander's seat in most helicopter diagrams. But, anyone who has ever flown on one of those helicopters knows that seat is for the crew chief. Well, I came face to face with an experience of some fresh LT coming up and saying to me, "that's my seat." I laughed and pointed back to the troop seats. He insisted again. I then poked my head into the cockpit after which my LtCol poked his head and and yelled, "Sit Down!" One of the funniest things I ever saw.

They're not all that way, but I think a lot of these junior officers think that they are hot stuff simply because they have brass on their collars.
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Some LTs make it harder on the rest of us.
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Cpl Jeff Buckman
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Dear God yes there is big-time I was a LCpl for a while because my MOS was notoriously hard to rank up in I was 23 and they were treating me like I was 10 because of my rank. What really missed me off is when younger Marines in the easy MOS like radio... if you had a pulse you got a promotion, I got in a few verbal battles while remaining respectful over that one.
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That is a good example.
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Cpl Chad Breeding
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Amen brother. I spent 4 years as a LCPL where our cutting score was not even listed. I went to the ball with some friends in a training unit one time with 4 medals, 2 ribbons and a hash mark. My friends were both SGT's and had no deployments. They were telling people all kinds of different stories about how I had been busted and not to mess with me. At the same time, in my unit, I got all the respect in the world but whenever I went out on a working party, I was treated like a newby.
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Maj Philip Povolish
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Cry me a river...wahhhh, I want to park closer. Shut...up. GOs, 0-6s, CMSGTs, Quarterly winners all deserve privileges. You want respect, then go earn it.
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Cpl Jimmy Stancil
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Thank You!!! What is going on with all of this whinning from military men and women? The problem is this: Officers and senior staff enlisted are trying to b parents instead of commanders. Stop accepting this B.S. from those under your command and require excellence in the performance of duties and conduct (military bearing)!
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Maj Security Forces
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I had 11 years in and was an E-6 before being commissioned. My first Air Force unit was a 900 person Security Police Group. I was treated differently than most 2Lt's because I was 31 years old and most knew or assumed I was prior service. The only one that treated me like dirt was this Colonel we had as a commander but he treated all his officers like that for some reason, even his majors. I did feel sorry for the way most of the new 2Lt's were treated some of which was deserved but most wasn't deserved.
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SFC Training Nco
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You should see how AGR's treat M-Day Soldiers. just sayin'
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SPC Mortar Gunner
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Personally speaking.. E3-28yrs old... I've seen some e5s ranging from 23-26 age group that handle soldiers way better then what above ranks do... What happen to give respect and you get back the same?? (And not saying to be a soft ass/kitty) If I'm staying here at this unit for the next year+ doesn't first impression count about your leaders? In the end.. Some ranks get power hungry and think talking to anyone as the please is ok.. And as below ranked.. You have to stand there and eat it...
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SPC Angel Guma
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Yes. And Rankism outside the military is much worse. Enjoy the closest thing to meritocracy while you can! In the civilian world, if you are not the King of Sparta, you're in for it.
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Keep in made I am a National Guard guy. I have been in the civilian sector also. My stint as a Assistant Manager at Walmart was the worst I saw this at in the civilian side. I didn't like it. I was never an hourly associate but went straight to hourly management. It was rough. I would rather be in the regular army but I do spend a lot of time on Active Duty for Training.
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