Posted on Apr 16, 2019
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Backstory: Soldier went in country (Iraq) for 6 days and went back to Kuwait. He now feels entitled to be able to wear a "combat patch" (his words not mine). Regulation states must be 30 days in country (combat zone; not Kuwait anymore) to qualify for a deployment patch.

((UPDATE)): I just learned from several people AR 670-1 has been updated to reflect that the amount of days boots on ground no longer matters. Most up-to-date AR 670-1 states:

"The military operation must have lasted for a period of 30 days or longer" (i.e. OIF, OIR, etc...)

"Soldiers of all Army components (Active, ARNG, and USAR) who deploy during periods of service designated for wear of the SSI–FWTS are authorized to wear a SSI–FWTS. There are no time-in-theater requirements for authoriza-tion to wear the SSI–FWTS. Soldiers may not earn more than one SSI–FWTS during the same deployment."

The Soldier can wear his deployment patch and I already let him know I made a mistake. Leaders make mistakes but it's how we fix or respond to those mistakes that matter. Good learning experience. Thank you to everyone who provided constructive feedback.
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SGT Keith Boettcher
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Interesting. Nothing is sacred anymore. Use to be a thing of honor and prestige to earn and wear a combat patch. I had once heard a story while on AD that a young solider fresh out of AIT wrote a letter home to his mother to complain that no one in his new unit would talk to him because he was new and had not deployed or had a combat patch. His mother wrote a nasty letter to the State Representative of their district and gave him hell. Supposedly he in turn when back to Washington and approached the committee and talked about the letter and they way new soldiers were being treat at their units because they were new and had not earned a combat patch or CIB or CAB. So, there was a new order implemented to have all AD soldiers to remove their patches and CIB and CAB off their uniforms so that the new soldiers would feel that they fit in with the others. Anyone else heard or know of a unit that this took place? It did at Fort Hood with I was on AD. But, it was let to Command as a directive.
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CPT William Jones
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If soldier is wearing anything on his uniform that he didn’t earn and is not in his records he can be required to remove it. Inform his chain of command. In this day use your phone take picture and you hav evidence to show. Then let the chain handle it.
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SSG Dave Johnston
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You Know,,,,,, You really don't get to wear a CBT "Patch" until you've rotated back to CONUS... unless this is your 2nd tour, then it don't matter;;;;;;;; but that's the way it was back in the day, pre 'Desert Storm'.
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1LT Human Resources Officer
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The patch was sew on during that time also. My guess is the big switch came about with ACU velcro patches...thus the in theater patching ceremony.
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Sgt Comm Center Operator
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You could ask the person about it. No need to make a problem for the person. Could be a mistake of some kind. But ask in a nice way, don't bring up anything like stolen valor. Just ask first, talk nice.
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SPC Bryan Richardson
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Same kinda thing happened many years ago in 1989. A plane with military personal from the pentagon flew down to panama during operation just cause conflict there to get a combat patch...
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SPC Bryan Richardson
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They landed fired some rounds off at the end of the runway during the conflict. That’s what earned them the combat patch. It was unfair to the people who actually earned their combat patch and were actually there deployed in combat during just cause.
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SPC Steven Nihipali
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This is a thing? Who cares... on the piece of paper is all the matters. Someone will eventually call em out and that douche will cry he's being oppressed, etc..
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SGT Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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It’s 24 hours in country for deployment patches
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1LT Human Resources Officer
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There are no time-in-theater requirements for authorization to wear the SSI-FWTS per 670-1. It could be enough time to eat an ice cream cone and split.
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1SG Dale Cantrell
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On the spot Corrections, his next higher will make that call and file it in his 201
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SSG James Oliver Nathan Jr
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True.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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We had a sit-rep that was about a Rapid Deployment Team Logo. and I side with the AMN . We’d been deployed to Sudan at Khartoum for Operation Arid Farmer ( this was about support for Chad when Libya’s dictator in ‘83 went ‘takeover’ there. Our F-15s were able to beat the Libyan’s back.. with some well placed missiles) The Airman was on team 3 that remained at Ramstein in Germany. We licks them up on the way home when we went back through Ramstein. Somebody had said 3d team wasn’t Eligible to keep the logo because they never entered the support site in Sudan.. The way i Interpreted it was team 3 was as good as in when they came to Germany (Staging Base)with us. There were no prerequisites they had to “Be in Sudan” .
I think somebody that didn’t get to go
(Team 4) was butt-hurt and when they found out team 3 didn’t get in Sudan..
Team 4 had their B-4s packed too and at the orderly room .. I search around and we had a Reserve support Squadron that was not part of deploy team.. They were at base to maintain and support the base and supply sections with Airmen from different career fields to keep the base operating as if we were all there.. They supplied our section with 18 Cooks that were pulled for the operation and had them on site within 18 and 24 hrs. I. Found that out when I returned.. So everybody did their job as required.. it seems everyone else wants their pat on The back.and wants it as quick as those that were the first to hit the tarmac.. Any Actual documented recognition didn’t come down for about a monrh . And I couldn’t act on recognition of the Reserves until TAC authorized it. By then some of them retired. The good part was the retirees were with 8 to 10 miles of Langley.. and two of them worked on Langley AFB.. So we set up a recognition lunch at the Airman’s Dining Facility and their Command along with ours gave godmothers their accolades for their very speedy response . It just takes time . I surmise the clock can tick very slow when waiting .for s’thing they think that only has to travel across base. Actually had to go all the way to Congress for release . The public and media didn’t hear about for another month. The base PAO couldn’t release to base media So it was kind kept on down low.. when Public media got it they were totally perturbed that they didn’t get it like they thought. The sitrep with the Navy jets knocking the Libyans down got out quicker.. We had got some Ts made up off base at a printer: U.S. 2. Libya 0 . They showed the Navy Jets flying off and the Libyan Jets crashing/burning . I tucked mine away .. Word got out it would create a diplomatic upset.. among butthurt Libyan Nationals..in the U.S. I don’t know what the Navy was doing in Norfolk and other areas.. I know we were asked(interpret as told) not to wear them if we got them.. for awhile.., that came from up top and from base .. Some Libyans at consulate already raised a diplomatic ruckus..
I went up to Cold Lake CFB on a contingency support Maple Flag ‘83.
(I also had appropriated Ts from that.)
One of the eve’s I was off After late feed for our Security Police and Canadian M.P.s I got back to barracks and got my bright yellow T with the U.S. 2, Libya 0
and put it on and went to the JR. Ranks club..and had a great time. I didn’t hear no comments about the “T”.. Next day after I got off work at the Mess I got changed and went to the Exchange and wore the “T” .. a few of the Canadians there pointed and gave a thumbs up ..
A little guy started to and mommy knocked his arm down.. I got what I wanted and got back to the barracks.
I hadn’t seen the sign in the exchange window that No Ts worn openly in the exchange. I seen a paper later on the bulletin board at the barracks it also said printed colored Ts.. included as out of bounds. Hmm the door greeter didn’t say anything... no prob, will not do it again .. one of the polo shirts I got had a Canadian Symbol on the pocket and a collar.. So that was ok.. I was at work finishing up cleaning after lunch.. There had been a meeting at the base theater and one of the topics was the “T” that I had .. they knew somebody had one and a Canadian dependent complained somebody brazenly walked in flaunting the “T” that bragged on the U.S. heavily armed Jets shooting 2 human beings down.in unarmed Jets(explain to the Navy pilots the Libyans were unarmed, sure they’d like to be made aware of that fact)
I got to see the Canadian paper .. read the whole thing and seen only 2 U.S. Jets shot down 2 Libyan Jets and that was it..
A “whiskey-tango-Foxtrot” moment !
I’m glad I was going home in a week..
It’s family day at the Junior ranks Club!
Tomorrow.. I know.. Maybe wear the Yellow “T”!... I decided to wear the
Maple Flag ‘83 shirt .. with our Flag and the Canadian Flag crossed on the Left sleeve.. I wonder.. I think our side had these done.. Our U.S. Flag was leaning to the front... I’d have to look at that again..
hmm.. i’ll Look on s’body’ else’s shirt..
yeah the Canadian Colors was in the right spot..
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