Posted on Jul 12, 2015
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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A high-profile shooting, like the June 17 crime that left dead nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, is typically followed by calls for greater gun control, along with counter arguments that the best way to stop gun crimes is with more guns.

"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.

A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.

"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds/ar-AAcDdis
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MSG Darren Gaddy
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So responsible gun owners are just lumped in to a statistical conundrum with serial killers and school shooters who in a lot of cases have shown signs of mental illness on more than one occasion. So THEY count how many guns are sold not taking into consideration anything else and because responsible gun owners are not out policing criminals and performing vigilante justice, studies like this arise. This is ridiculous!
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SSG Ricky Johnson
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Until politicians call it what it is, a mental health crisis, there will be more shootings. It is not a sane person that walks into a school and kills children. A gun is an inanimate object, it takes a person to pull the trigger. I believe that the number of people that die in car accidents exceed the number of so called “gun” fatalities, yet they are not calling for manufacturers to stop making cars! Mentally ill persons drive vehicles into parade participants, down bicycle paths killing people, drive drunk a take out a family. Politicians will never put the blame where it belongs because inanimate objects can’t fight back.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
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Well, usually more guns in law abiding citizens hands do help to reduce crimes. And even if it didn't, it certainly does not make it worse. Therefore, leave it alone.
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PO2 Jeffrey Christiansen
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I would not put any value in any study made in today's world, they pick and choose areas or people that agree with whatever they want to support.
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BG Mike Bridges
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I am prepared to stop bad people using any means. Guns are quickest.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
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any argument that throws "cold water" on the argument the a well armed populace is a safe populace is offered by those that want to control that formerly well armed populace ... I direct your attention of Germany, Russia, China and a host of small countries around the world that saw disarmament by their government result in the loss of life BY THAT GOVERNMENT. In situations of a more modern government we have only to look at the UK and the Australians who were lied to in the same manner and gave up their right to own weapons only to see violent crime stay the same or increase with the use of weapons still a significant portion of those incidents.. Also the media in the USA and other clowns around the globe make up all sorts of scenarios to suggest that "unarmed society" is a "polite society".. loads of manure for the children that are frightened by the thought someone having a weapon near them.. A real evaluation of requires the research of all police agencies annual reports of violent crime outcomes. Many times violence does not happen do to the "good guy" simply showing that a weapon is in play..
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PO2 Larry OBrien
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We are taking guns from the law abiding citizens. The people that commit these horrific acts find ways to get gun(s) from the black market. the illegal guns run rampant as law abiding guns diminish.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
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Edited 10 y ago
Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

Also, the latest stats/studies show that BANNING guns doesn't lower crime.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
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who published the report on banning guns Don ? it is probably those fools on the "beast" or one of the wizards on the view as the children wad through life high most of the time... LOL ... what was the name of the Georgia city that legislated the ownership of a weapon for every citizen in that city and crime fell and fell and has not gone back up ...
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SSgt Paul Esquibel
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After reading the posted quotes and article it relates too then viewing the FBI murder rates per state, one has to ask the question. How do you determine the variable factors within each state that contributes to homicide of a firearm. Example: Texas and California have the highest rate of gun murders in the U.S. per the FBI statistics of 2013, however Texas has 26.98 million citizens and California with 38.8 million. Per the FBI statistics Texas had 1,133 murders and California 1,745. Percentage wise (rounded population to nearest whole number) of murder within each state to it's population is Texas at: .004% and California at: .004%. So what additional factors might increase a states gun violence with numbers not even 1% of the population? California is one of the most strict gun control states and Texas is not. So how do researcher account for their thesis. Research per the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/14/murder-rates-drop-as-concealed-carry-permits-soar-/?page=all says murder rates are dropping with more concealed permits. While all researchers agree suicide has the most direct link to guns homicide does not. So then it comes down to specifics, a household does have a higher rate of suicide due to the availability of a firearm but that does not mean they will commit homicide. However states with concealed permit owners have the lowest violent crime statistics because criminals do not know who is carrying and who isn't. Additionally those states or cities that have the strictest gun control laws also have the highest violent crime rates. In my opinion, you have a right to own a weapon regardless of what state you live in, however just as we all were trained on the disciplines of gun safety civilians should also be taught and not just for conceal carry but for ownership in general, as we always say knowledge is power so we as society have a duty to increase the knowledge of firearm safety to ensure the safety of all.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
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something else to consider is the "Death by Gun" reports also include suicide and officer involved where a perp is shot and croaks while shooting at or resisting arrest
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Now what about non fire arm aggravated assaults, robbery's, and rapes. yes if there are more guns, guns will be used in more crimes. What I do not see is what more guns do to total crime.
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