Posted on Oct 1, 2018
Regarding the FY19 Retention policy, does volunteering to reclass occur as part of the reenlistment packet/process, or is it a separate 4187?
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So from reading the new FY19 retention policy (and the FY18 policy for that matter) there is a little caveat under Careerist that says "As an exception: Careerist Soldiers inside the ROW, including those reenlisting under the NCO Career Status Program, may request voluntary reclassification for training into a shortage (Y/N) MOS and if the approved MOS is authorized a Tier 3 or higher bonus as published in the current Selective Retention Bonus (SRB) MILPER Message, the Soldier may be eligible to receive an SRB in conjunction with the reenlistment." I am considered Careerist (Contractual ETS is 10yrs 4mos). My questions are:
1. Does volunteering to reclass occur as part of the reenlistment packet/process, or is it a separate 4187 that must be submitted?
2. If it is a 4187, is that something that I could get approved before I do the reenlistment paperwork, to ensure I am not reenlisting for something that will get denied?
3. The MOS I want is a shortage on the In/Out Calls, but my MOS is also a shortage. The policy doesn't say anything about having to be in a balanced/over strength MOS to use this option, but is there a rule somewhere that would not let me get out of my current MOS?
Thank you very much for your help.
1. Does volunteering to reclass occur as part of the reenlistment packet/process, or is it a separate 4187 that must be submitted?
2. If it is a 4187, is that something that I could get approved before I do the reenlistment paperwork, to ensure I am not reenlisting for something that will get denied?
3. The MOS I want is a shortage on the In/Out Calls, but my MOS is also a shortage. The policy doesn't say anything about having to be in a balanced/over strength MOS to use this option, but is there a rule somewhere that would not let me get out of my current MOS?
Thank you very much for your help.
Retention
Re-enlistment
Reclass
DA Form 4187
Retention NCO
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The wording is a bit misleading because a voluntary Reclass is done outside the reenlistment window and inside the reenlistment window it's an Option 3 Army Training reenlistment option. I'd have to check the processing message, but for you the difference is negligible.
When you do a voluntary reclass (not an option 3 reenlistment) you need a 4187. You don't reenlist until after you're approved for training and have a training seat.
Strengths Management will decide based upon the strengths of your MOS and the one you want to go in. This isn't something you can look at yourself unless you're familiar with EDAS, even then there may be other factors that go into your specific choice.
When you do a voluntary reclass (not an option 3 reenlistment) you need a 4187. You don't reenlist until after you're approved for training and have a training seat.
Strengths Management will decide based upon the strengths of your MOS and the one you want to go in. This isn't something you can look at yourself unless you're familiar with EDAS, even then there may be other factors that go into your specific choice.
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PFC Liony Leftwich
So a DA form 4187 is not an actual reenlistment contract yet?Is it just a form that you sign for now before you actually go sign your official reenlistment contract?
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PFC Liony Leftwich it's neither.
A DA 4187 is a Personnel Request. It's just an official version of you asking for something that doesn't already have a form. It's used to request various training, deletions of assignments, change AWOL ststus and many other things. His question was regarding a Voluntary Reclass. Because of his rank he's not eligible for the Army Training reenlistment option, but you are, so there will be no need for a 4187 or voluntary Reclass for you.
Also, a reenlistment or enlistment contract is a DD 4 series, it is the same for all branches.
A DA 4187 is a Personnel Request. It's just an official version of you asking for something that doesn't already have a form. It's used to request various training, deletions of assignments, change AWOL ststus and many other things. His question was regarding a Voluntary Reclass. Because of his rank he's not eligible for the Army Training reenlistment option, but you are, so there will be no need for a 4187 or voluntary Reclass for you.
Also, a reenlistment or enlistment contract is a DD 4 series, it is the same for all branches.
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PFC Liony Leftwich
I wish I could thank you enough SFC and I really appreciate that very knowledgeable asap response.
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PFC Liony Leftwich no worries. If you have more questions feel free to ask or seek out your battalion Career Counselor.
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I’m pretty sure the only way to reclass out of your current MOS is to either be balanced or over strength in the in/out call message.
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It matters more the strength of the MOS your trying to go into. However if your MOS is under strength or a critical MOS your probably not going anywhere....
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