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Command Post What is this?
Posted on Jan 12, 2016
Capt Byron Chen
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Capt Brandon Charters
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Very helpful set of myth-busters Capt Byron Chen. Thanks for sharing them with us.
“I’m working with a recruiter. He’ll help me negotiate so I don’t have to worry about it.” That's a scary thought right there.
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Capt Byron Chen
Capt Byron Chen
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Thanks Brandon. I don't want to put recruiters in a bad light. I worked with several and they were great. But I think veterans can be too trusting sometimes, and not realize that they could be risking opportunity loss if they put something like their compensation in the hands of others. Especially if those people aren't aligned with the same incentives and risks.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
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Excellent post with impeccable timing! If you don't value your own skills and talents then no one else will either.
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Capt Byron Chen
Capt Byron Chen
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - Thanks! Government jobs and others like it where the pay scale is clearly delineated are more difficult to negotiate, but not impossible. Here's how I break it down:

1. Experience - You are placed in gov jobs based mostly on what you qualify to do. Employers aren't perfect when it comes to figuring out where you fit in their hierarchy. Make sure you check the next position or two up to see if you could enter at a higher grade.

2. Skills/certifications/school - Paper certifications may be necessary to place you in certain pay grades. If you don't have these, you may be able to make a compelling case for equivalent training or work experience that you have.

3. Accelerated review - let's say you have the above qualifications, but he company isn't hiring for a higher position. It may be possible to make the argument that it would only be fair to consider promoting you sooner if you prove that you can hold the position. Or you can ask that you get first look or inclusion in the interview process when that position does open up.

4. Incentives - Gov jobs may qualify for scholarships, tuition relief, or training opportunities that you can take advantage of. It could be a big gain for your toolkit, at little cost to the company. See if the company is willing to consider letting you go after these opportunities or giving you first crack in the selection process.

5. Leverage for later on - Gov job compensation may be competitive, overall, when you consider benefits like pension and healthcare. This job may be right for you now and you have to have reasonable expectations. Parlay your experience and the strength of the compensation to accelerate into higher positions if you decide to move on at a later time.

Hope this helps! Any questions, let me know.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
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Capt Byron Chen - excellent points to consider. Thank you!
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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I remember my first job out of the service. I had no idea what I was worth and of course back then the data wasn't as accessible. As a consequence I negotiated a salary that was about 5K low. When I realized it wasn't enough I started to look. The company offered me a ten percent raise but that put me only 3.5K low. So it hurts you and the company but more you. The further you are from the ideal the harder it is to catch up and the company (if you realize you made a mistake) will lose an employee. Salary negotiation is the most overlooked part of the job search.
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Capt Byron Chen
Capt Byron Chen
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So true Kenneth. It's strange how companies only scramble to try to hire you or keep you from leaving. They're like bad girlfriends ; )
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Sgt Mike Sarris
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Capt Byron Chen , I wish this book had been available when I left the service, it would have made my life much easier! It's taken me a while longer to figure out what you said, but I eventually figured it out the hard way. I recently left a company and negotiated with my current company for a personal vehicle, company credit card, the pay rate I wanted, and many other "perks" that amazed my friends at the company I left. I know how good I am at my job compared to others in my field, I have a stellar record and former employers to back me up, and the experience to back up what I say I can offer a company. Too bad it took me 15 years to figure out what you've put in your book!
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Capt Byron Chen
Capt Byron Chen
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Appreciate it Mike. Awesome work on the new job. That's exactly the kind of ongoing success figuring out that you can negotiate does. Don't let any future employer discount your value.
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