Posted on Mar 19, 2014
Saluting: Have you ever encountered an officer that did not salute you back, although he/she recognized your salute?
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I find it amazing to hear that so many have experienced officers disregarding their salute. Salutes are two-way recognition and honor. To deny a person a returned salute is just disrespectful in my book.<div><br></div><div>I look forward to recognizing Soldiers, NCOs, and subordinate officers. I believe they deserve it and will always return the salute. If you see me standing and talking with another person and salute me I will come to attention and salute you back every time, even if I am in the middle of a sentence. The same is true for walking, standing, or whatever. I really do not understand why some view subordinates as "beneath" them and not worthy of a returned salute. I certainly appreciate it when a field grade officer gives me a sharp return salute; it makes me feel respected. I want to make sure others feel the same way.</div>
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SSG Kevin McCulley
I agree. I also am befuddled by the way exchanging the greeting of the day between enlisted has seemed to have completely died.
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SFC (Join to see)
I agree. When I came in in 2003, it was still a mandatory courtesy. It still makes me crazy when a Soldier walks past and doesn't say a word!
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SPC Matthew Kourim
I'm a civilian now but I still to this day give a greeting of the day to any nco or officer I see in uniform.
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As a MSG while working with the 1ST Army, I had the distinct pleasure of meeting the Commanding General for MEDCOM, unfortunately for me, he was not thrilled with the aspect of training for a hospital unit he had going down range, I being the only person in the area with a First Army patch on caught his, I will say, displeasure that we dared make his Soldiers complete Individual and collective training prior to deployment. Â After he commenced to voice his displeasure with the fact I was a representative with the First Army, which to this day I still think I have his spittle on my uniform, I saluted him as he stormed off, to which he did not return my salute, then as his car drove away I saluted again, to which he did not return my salute. Â I immediately pushed his displeasure through my COC. Â Next day I receive a phone call from the Commanding General of the First Army wanting to know exactly what happened, he then apologized to me for the conduct of that General and praised me for my Military bearing. Â For me I was like, "Really, like I am going to lose it with a 4 star." I didn't say this, but I thought it. Â Anyways that's my story.
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CW4 Craig Urban
I worked for the head of army acquisition and the commander of 101st airborne division whey they were my battalion commanders at fort ord. Benchoff and Hite. 3 stars. Had dinner with Hire numerous times throughout the years. Still call him sir and he calls me Chief
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SFC James (Jim) R Brown
SSG Kevin McCulley - No, SSG you do not put that on the WTF moments. You straighten that out immediately, regardless of the rank.
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SSG Kevin McCulley
SFC James (Jim) R Brown - We all know they will just deny it and lie about it unless it is put in the public realm. That's how officers do. No accountability for their incompetence, actions, mistakes, or malfeasance.
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It has happened to me several times since I work in an area where we get tons of new 2LTs. What I always do is stop them on their tracks and correct them (while standing at the position of attention). Most times they are just ignorant of the fact. It has happened with a few CPTs also, again, same approach with tact and respect at all times.
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SSG
Absolutely! Â I had several of my sailors tell me a certain Admiral on the waterfront refused to return their salute. Â After hearing of this for nearly a month I decided to see for myself. Â Taking some time to take care of some ship's business in the area that this Admiral had apparently been ignoring sailors saluting I eventually ran into this Admiral - only this time he had his flag Lt with him. Â Well, I sighed to myself, in for a ounce, in for the tonnage..... so when I saluted the two of them, the flag LT returned my salute but the Admiral looked me in the eye and refused to salute. Â So I spoke up.....and the Admiral and I had a quiet conversation. Â Now I won't tell you the Admiral was happy to be called out by a 1st Class Petty Officer in public reagrding his refusal to return rendered honors. Â I got my ass reamed for daring to intrude on an Admiral's important business - but I stood my ground and I made my point. Â I also had to explain my actions to the XO of my ship (obviously the flag LT made a phone call) - but I again stood my ground and made my point. Â My division Chief decided he had to get in on the gangbang and started in on me - but once again, I held my ground and made my point.
Two weeks later I was on ship's business in the same area where this Admiral was refusing to return salutes - and lo and behold, who was marching down the path? Â You guessed it - the same Admiral. Â The difference? Â The Admiral was returning salutes...and when he got to the general area I was at, he changed his direction of travel and made a beeline towards me. Â This time his attitude was different, our conversation was proper, but cordial, ending with an invitation to have lunch with him at the officer's club. Â I made a quick call to the XO of my ship and accepted.
Lesson learned: Â sometimes leadership is painful, but often the end result is what needs to be done.
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SGT Thomas Sullivan
There is always someone with more stars on their shoulder, or more "Secretary" in front of their name. Eventually wrongs can be righted if you hold your ground and uphold the law and regulations as they were written.
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You're absolutely right - eventually you can, if you have the time, to find someone who will right a wrong. Â However, reality often rears it's ugly head and makes that something (righting a wrong) a long term (as in decades) event. Â I know from experience that one cannot win every battle - nor should one take on every challenge or issue. Â To give you an example - take the admiral I confronted for failing to salute. Â Had the situation occured in the US Marine Corps that particular officer would have been called out in an extremely public manner - and the NCO doing the correcting would have been appluaded loud and long. Â That does NOT work in the Navy. Â Ergo I knew when I faced not only the Admiral but the Admiral's Flag LT, frankly I knew I was in for a rough road. Â It's been my experience that most Mustangs in the Nav react to being corrected in a public setting in a positive manner (generally). Â However, there are relatively few Mustang Admirals and even fewer Mustang Admirals that travel with a Flag LT so I was fairly certain I was dealing with a Ring-knocker - which meant I had to handle the situation in a fairly politically correct manner. Â Which I did, successfully. Â But not without some push-back. Â I knew the Flag Lt would be calling my ship and essentially putting me on report for calling out the Admiral in public - and she did precisely as I expected. Â I also knew I had a spot or two in my chain of command that didn't see eye-to-eye with me and they would react in a predictable manner (see above reactions by XO and Division Chief) - and they did. Â But I also knew I had my department heads support and my CO's full support in just about anything I attempted(as long as I didn't try to use the CO's purchase code to order another F-14 - another story for another time) so I wasn't too worried in regards to the XO and Chief. Â So I chose my battlefield, I chose my tactics and I achieved my goal. Â The Admiral got the message. Â Would I attempt that same thing with a different set of circumstances - perhaps not.
You're absolutely right - eventually you can, if you have the time, to find someone who will right a wrong. Â However, reality often rears it's ugly head and makes that something (righting a wrong) a long term (as in decades) event. Â I know from experience that one cannot win every battle - nor should one take on every challenge or issue. Â To give you an example - take the admiral I confronted for failing to salute. Â Had the situation occured in the US Marine Corps that particular officer would have been called out in an extremely public manner - and the NCO doing the correcting would have been appluaded loud and long. Â That does NOT work in the Navy. Â Ergo I knew when I faced not only the Admiral but the Admiral's Flag LT, frankly I knew I was in for a rough road. Â It's been my experience that most Mustangs in the Nav react to being corrected in a public setting in a positive manner (generally). Â However, there are relatively few Mustang Admirals and even fewer Mustang Admirals that travel with a Flag LT so I was fairly certain I was dealing with a Ring-knocker - which meant I had to handle the situation in a fairly politically correct manner. Â Which I did, successfully. Â But not without some push-back. Â I knew the Flag Lt would be calling my ship and essentially putting me on report for calling out the Admiral in public - and she did precisely as I expected. Â I also knew I had a spot or two in my chain of command that didn't see eye-to-eye with me and they would react in a predictable manner (see above reactions by XO and Division Chief) - and they did. Â But I also knew I had my department heads support and my CO's full support in just about anything I attempted(as long as I didn't try to use the CO's purchase code to order another F-14 - another story for another time) so I wasn't too worried in regards to the XO and Chief. Â So I chose my battlefield, I chose my tactics and I achieved my goal. Â The Admiral got the message. Â Would I attempt that same thing with a different set of circumstances - perhaps not.
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LTC J. Lee Mudd
I'm curious about why the admiral seemed to have a personal policy about not returning salutes. Seems pretty wierd...
As far as correcting seniors goes, if it's done tactfully, it simply falls under the category of 'on the spot corrections' - no different than letting someone know they have an unbuttoned pocket or a loose thread...
As far as correcting seniors goes, if it's done tactfully, it simply falls under the category of 'on the spot corrections' - no different than letting someone know they have an unbuttoned pocket or a loose thread...
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I'm not going to lie, I am not the worlds biggest fan of being saluted especially since most that salute me have triple the time in service, feels weird for some reason. That being said even if I am carrying something I will always find a way to return the salute or give an acknowledgement (if i am carrying a box or something).Â
If you take the time to show respect to someone, there is no reason why they shouldn't do the same in return. If an O fails to salute you back, you should most definitely stop him or her and say something. But I wouldn't sweat it to much, those are probably the same officers that are getting boarded out right now...
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This happened to me once with a cocky CPT. In his defense though, he was busy with his hand in his pocket...
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SPC Jacob Lanahan
I had a CW2 that hated to get saluted, so we went out of our way to salute her. She never would return the salute for some reason.
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SGT (Join to see)
SPC Lanahan, my unit would do something similar. If you're familiar with what a "salute line" is we would do those regularly when an officer approached that we knew hated saluting. The games we played!
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CPT (Join to see)
My platoon loved the "salute line" but honestly it never bothered me, I'll return individual salutes as long as necessary.
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I have never had this problem with Officers, just Warrant Officers. Â There are a lot of them, especially pilots, who do not render proper courtesies to include saluting. Â Drives me up the wall and causes me to have to explain to these individuals about 10 times a day about what saluting means and why we do it. Â
Haven't had to deal with that recently as I am at Shindand, Afghanistan and it is a no salute FOB except for general officers, which there are none here.
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SGT Thomas Sullivan
No Salute FOB, yet, when an extremely high ranking individual shows up you are forced to make him sniper bait? I almost laughed.
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SSG (Join to see)
1SG, Shindand has been great considering it's a no salute FOB. My 2 weeks at KAF drove me insane, as soon as you walk out the door a company sized element of officers are eagerly awaiting your salute.
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When I was in RC South with the 82nd in charge of the region, my FOB started out as a no-salute zone. However, KAF was. Probably because of all the shiny brass down there. Then the story I heard was a new 2LT (probably thinking war zone= no salute period) didn't salute the RC CG, so the CG made it policy the entire RC was a salute zone. Not that anyone NOT on a major FOB cared. Whether true or not, about halfway through deployment I found myself getting reamed for not saluting a CPT. On a small FOB surrounded by high ground... because logic.
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SSG... Unfortunately, Yes. I stood at position of attention for I think about 30 minutes, her hands were not full, and I was within 6 paces of her. She looked at me, scoffed, then walked away... I was released by (luckily) a higher ranking officer, but I steered clear of her from then on. Knowing my luck, I would have saluted her again, and have been stuck there for god knows how long...Â
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SSG Kevin McCulley
Officers are only held accountable if it has a potential to get a more senior officer in trouble.
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Personally no, but I have seen it happen between a 1stSgt and a Capt in front of our company in formation. At the conclusion of some type of ceremony we had, the CO called the 1stSgt who moved from his post in front of the CO where he received orders. The 1stSgt saluted and replied with "aye aye Sir" and the CO just took off. The 1stSgt probably called for the CO a few times while holding his salute until he yelled "CO" loud enough that the whole company could hear and the CO ran back to return the 1stSgt's salute.<div><br></div><div>If you do not receive a salute back, go get it back.</div>
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Only once . . . the situation was corrected in typical Marine Gunnery Sergeant fashion.
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