Posted on Jun 27, 2023
LTC Dallas Powell
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Should retired officers, who are not in uniform, return a salute?

I see soldiers at the gate salute me when I come through, even though I present my retired ID card -- and sometimes when I show my contractor CAC. I get that it's respect to my retired rank, but only GOs retain their rank when they retire. And, since I now have a beard and am never in uniform, it feels weird returning a salute. What say you?
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"Salutes are not required to be rendered by or to personnel who are driving or riding in privately-owned vehicles, except by gate guards (military personnel only) who will (AR 600–25) render salutes to recognized officers in ALL (emphasis added) vehicles unless duties are of such a nature as to make the salute impractical." Also, "salutes are not required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate or both are in civilian attire."
If a military gate guard salutes you it is a courtesy, even if you are retired, and even though it's not required. Personally, I return the courtesy, just as I did when I was in uniform, and since I am at a complete stop it doesn't interfere with my ability as the driver of the car. Salutes are not "required" by either party, but they are also not prohibited. It would feel very wrong to me to be saluted at the gate and then drive off without having acknowledged the trooper's courtesy.
LCDR Jerry Maurer
LCDR Jerry Maurer
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I stopped and asked, and was told I wasn't required to salute. I asked what the gate guard would prefer. He told me that he was going to salute me either way in honor of my service. I said in that case I should return his salute and he said he would be honored to receive it. Since then I always return a salute, simple courtesy and, quite frankly, as a lowly 0-4, it makes my day.
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MSgt Bobby Gene
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Returning a salute is just a classy way to show appreciation to the courtesy rendered.
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MAJ Joe L
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Well said.
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MAJ Stephen Barnard
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SFC Michael Lindenbusch - It's also worth noting that different nations have different customs and regulations. For example, in the British Army you always remove headgear when inside a building, and you never salute when not wearing a hat / beret, whether indoors or outside.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
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If you did not resign your commission, you still have it. Remember that pay you get every month is retainer pay.
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Strange. My statement calls it Retired Pay.
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COL Chief, Observer Trainer Coach Team
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Well said Major.
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LTC John Daly
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The key point is, as Maj Reams points out, retired pay is not an annuity like a 401k. The IRS may look at them as similar but historically they are not.
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LTC Matthew Schlosser
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Only up to a certain age, then it is truly retired pay.
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COL Randall Cudworth
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LTC Dallas Powell, I'm confused by your statement that "only GOs retain their rank when they retire". Why do you think that?
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LTC Matthew Schlosser
LTC Matthew Schlosser
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) - I don't care what some clerk typist put on your DD-214. Retirees aren't promotable, and an E-8 who isn't occupying a 1SG billet is a MSG. If you're impressed by academic credentials, you haven't been forced to endure as many overeducated morons as I have!
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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LTC Matthew Schlosser - Just a quick look at your full profile tells me a lot. It reads like you are unhappy with your academics and disgruntled with some of your service.
An additional point about my rank. When I retired I was presented with recall orders that could be inacted in an emergency - my recall assignment was as a First Sergeant in an Armored unit (probably due to retiring at Fort Knox - it was the armor center at that time.) If recalled, I would also still be a Promotable E-8...
Basically, I could give a "Rats A@#" about what you think. I served 22 years in the US Army and am proud of my service. I went to college after I retired and received an undergraduate and a graduate degree and I am proud of that accomplishment.
Yes, I have seen a few overeducated morons but, I do not use the same brush to paint everyone with an education.
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LTC Matthew Schlosser
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) - It actually doesn't surprise me that you're impressed by people advertising their academic credentials. You're clearly unhappy that you never made E-9, and you probably coerced people into addressing you as "master sergeant" when you weren't in a 1SG billet. As for my own academics, I have three degrees paid for by the Army and none of them define me any more than the one the VA is buying me now. I'm certainly NOT disgruntled with my service. I went into the Army with the goal of being a FAO, achieved that, and enjoyed every minute of it. But I'm the son of a Sergeant Major and a keen judge of senior NCOs. Anyone who would emphasize "1SG" and "promotable" when neither is relevant as a retiree has serious self esteem issues and was probably as toxic a leader as the 1SG I had when I was an XO. (Thankfully, my 1SG in command was a solid leader.)
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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LTC Matthew Schlosser - Following is an excert from the current US Army policy regarding retirement with the title of First Sergeant and with Promotable status. Hopefully, with this new information, you will reevaluate some of your previous thinking.

A First Sergeant in the US Army can retire with that title, but there are specific conditions:
Current Service: If a soldier is serving as a 1SG at the time of retirement, they retire with that rank.
Previous Service (New 2022 Policy): Since January 1, 2022, Army policy allows Master Sergeants who previously served successfully as a First Sergeant but are currently in a terminal staff position to have their retirement orders read as First Sergeant.

Promotable Status (P): If you are a First Sergeant (P) and retire before making SGM, you retire as a First Sergeant (P).
Social Use: Retired military personnel can use their highest attained rank socially, but it must not bring discredit to the service.

I was serving as a First Sergeant (Promotable) when I retired so it was not some inefficient clerk typist that put the title on my DD-214. He or she was following the regulations.
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