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CPT Douglas Bryant
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Bottom Line Up Front - NO

This is from AR 670-1 Chapter 12–3. Occasions for wear. See Chapter 12-3 c (1)

a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation,
unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off
the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an allpurpose
uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise
directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the
commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear a physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the
off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear a physical fitness uniform if their activities in the
establishment center on the drinking of alcohol.
(3) Physical fitness uniform are not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as
memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform IAW paragraph 2–6c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.
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COL Scott Harrison
COL Scott Harrison
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SSG (Join to see) and SSG John Stinson - The point you both are raising is a lack of discipline within our Army. By definition, discipline is doing the right thing when our leadership is not looking. It is one the values the Army pushes down everyone's throats to promote model behavior, character and the type of leaders we need (how's that working out?). As a Private in 1978, I knew what was acceptable (regulations or not) and was held to that standard by my own actions first (Integrity) and by my leadership second (Loyalty). Now, I made plenty of stupid decisions during my 36 year career, everyone does. But, it wasn't the simple stuff like 'what uniform to wear at the airport?' or 'I can do this because no one will notice.' I was trained to a standard, held to a standard, and I enforced the standard among my peers.

So, by the example above, an argument could be made that: 1. the standard was not communicated effectively (leadership and training), 2. the standard was not followed but known (discipline and leadership), and/or 3. the standard was not enforced (leadership and personal sacrifice). It is easy to identify that the common denominator is leadership. Leadership would have inspected them before they left for the airport, would have corrected the oversight at the airport and would have ensured that the soldiers did not fail themselves, their organization or the Army. Because a failure to set and enforce standards, ultimately lowers the standards.
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SFC Joseph Tidwell
SFC Joseph Tidwell
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I don't know if the military does so now, but back then the soldier's orders would tell them what they were to wear. Generally, Class As.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
LTJG Sandra Smith
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SFC Joseph Tidwell - If their orders didn't, the airline certainly would've done in most cases, especially those flying military reserve or standby, on personal time. I can't imagine the regs have relaxed so much as that. As a nurse I didn't have PTs; my duty unis were white nurse's uniforms/caps, year round, with dress blues, or whites and undress light blues in the summer months, as appropriate for other than nursing duties. Generally speaking white duty unis were only worn to and from duty even if we lived off base; dress unis were worn at most other times. But PTs would just be inappropriate to wear for commercial travel at any time, let alone personal time.
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SPC Scott Wyland
SPC Scott Wyland
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Guess I'm old school. Even as a civilian, I wouldn't wear work-out clothing on a commercial plane. Have some pride in your appearance.
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LTC Director, Us Army Physical Fitness School
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You can't even wear them to the PX on most posts, why in the wide, wide world of sports would you want to wear them on a plane??
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SPC Terri Robison
SPC Terri Robison
2 mo
You can buy uniforms at Goodwill. They may not have been in the military.
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
SGT Nickolas Ortiz
2 mo
BIGGEST reason... sympathy. I've noticed Military personnel wearing their ACU's throughout the USA during non-duty incidents in order to garner "fee stuff" in this day and age of being supportive of Military personnel. I have the upmost respect for ANYONE that serves in the US Military... but I question their motives for some of the things they seem to be doing while not on duty.
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SFC Joseph Tidwell
SFC Joseph Tidwell
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Some of you are really screwed up with you replies. You know who you are. Nuff said.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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For Marines it's a no go. Army could be different, but I highly doubt it. PT uniforms are strictly for PT.
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SSgt Chris Francis
SSgt Chris Francis
2 mo
SSgt Boyd Herrst - I don't know, TSA can be quite thorough ;)
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SFC Steven Karoly
SFC Steven Karoly
2 mo
I remember seeing soldiers being spit on at the Atlanta Airport while wearing Class A's. We were not allowed to travel in uniform period
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PO3 John Priest
PO3 John Priest
1 mo
SPC Underwood, that gripe of yours. perhaps while a silently popular thought amongst the ranks, is one that probably shouldn't be voiced. You've got to remember that some of those O-1 and 0-2's are a little on a powertrip, but there's usually a higher ranking person watching their interactions and commenting when the Performance Reviews hit.

I have had to deal with one or two of those "Swaggering Tin-plated Dictators with Delusions of Godhood" in my past, but I also note that the Senior Enlisted in the Division will take them aside and talk with them, and failing that use the chain to make things right.

At any rate, going anywhere in PT except to PT was a big no-no even in my peacetime stint in Pre-9-11 days. And except where advised against, you went in the appropriate dress uniform domestically and sometimes internationally.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
LTJG Sandra Smith
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SFC Steven Karoly - Yes, that happened, fairly often as Vietnam was winding down, and even afterwards; we wore our unis anyway. We, at least those of us who were volunteers, served so they'd still have the right to behave like rude jerks at home.
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