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My question is pretty simple. Example: Infantry Platoon Sergeant or fill whatever MOS you are. Your rater is your PL, your Senior Rater is your Commander, and the reviewer is your Battalion Commander.
So riddle me this as; as the Senior Rater in an Infantry Rifle Company a Commander is the Senior Rater for 3 SFC. However in alot of the Senior NCO promotion topics the # system for rating is defined in the example of them being compared to their peers throughout the Battalion. Example: 1 of 15 NCO's in the Battalion; best Platoon Sergeant in the Battalion.
How is this quantified when the Senior Rater doesn't have these other 14 NCO's as subordinates? It really doesn't make sense.
So riddle me this as; as the Senior Rater in an Infantry Rifle Company a Commander is the Senior Rater for 3 SFC. However in alot of the Senior NCO promotion topics the # system for rating is defined in the example of them being compared to their peers throughout the Battalion. Example: 1 of 15 NCO's in the Battalion; best Platoon Sergeant in the Battalion.
How is this quantified when the Senior Rater doesn't have these other 14 NCO's as subordinates? It really doesn't make sense.
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If a Senior Rater (company commander) makes a comment comparing the NCO against others outside his rating scheme, he is wrong and the Reviewer (battalion commander, with advice from his CSM) should not allow that to go forward.
As the Reviewer for many, many NCOs, I look for those kind of errors.
A Senior Rater can only compare with his/her rating scheme, or potentially with those served with over a career.
I am the Senior Rater for my 1SGs, with the brigade commander the Reviewer. I am very careful to annotate clearly and without repeating myself when I enumerate in the SR block. In other words, I can't claim two are the "Number one First Sergeant in the Battalion."
If I was the rater individual, I would not allow my senior rater to rate me against those outside their rating scheme as it would hurt me in Army wide boards.
As the Reviewer for many, many NCOs, I look for those kind of errors.
A Senior Rater can only compare with his/her rating scheme, or potentially with those served with over a career.
I am the Senior Rater for my 1SGs, with the brigade commander the Reviewer. I am very careful to annotate clearly and without repeating myself when I enumerate in the SR block. In other words, I can't claim two are the "Number one First Sergeant in the Battalion."
If I was the rater individual, I would not allow my senior rater to rate me against those outside their rating scheme as it would hurt me in Army wide boards.
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I haven't read everything yet on the 'new' NCOER coming out, but what I have seen, it appears this is a big step in reducing/removing all inflation.
If the changes follow the lead of the new OERs that came out this spring, there are multiple forcing functions to address proper ratings.
If the changes follow the lead of the new OERs that came out this spring, there are multiple forcing functions to address proper ratings.
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I agree sir, I think that the new NCOER is a huge step in the right direction. I've read that HRC will be conducting MTT's to teach Senior NCO's and Officers how to properly write the new NCOER.
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I agree with you that it shouldn't happen. What then happens in the other companys? If every company commander rates one of their platoon sergeants as best in the battalion, there's an awful lot of number ones! Unless the battalion CDR/CSM have sat down and enumerated all of the SFCs in the battalion, and that's the basis for the commander's comment, then I don't see how that is possible.
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My point exactly 1SG, and at that point it's not really a Senior Rater comment, it's a reviewers comment. I feel that the more feasible approach would be to enumerate this rating on a leadership bullet such as; recognized by the Battalion Commander as the best PSG in the Battalion. Just my two cents.
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1SG Chris Brown
Good point. I just came from a Joint assignment where I supervised Senior NCOs from Army, Navy, and Air Force. The other services really have different ways of doing their evals from us. In the Navy, they would basically do what you're describing. The Master Chiefs/Senior Chiefs would have a rating scheme across a much larger organization and all of the NCOs would have a number. Then you might be 3 of 23 CPOs, even if the rest of those NCOs were outside the rating chain. But I no of no system like that in the Army. I think the way you state it would work since the Reviewer doesn't get to make comments. Of course, by next year the Reviewer will be gone altogether anyway.
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