Posted on Jun 2, 2014
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Just watched "The Invisible War." What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I believe that awfully painful and tragic documentary is a true reflection of the reality we live in.

If you think it is an exaggeration of the military's problem, you are deeply mistaken. This documentary should be a huge part of SHARP training.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I completely agree and Im grateful you are elaborating on this subject because of course I have my own perspective on things but I try to not go into a conversation with the sole purpose of being right. I'd rather just learn something new or at least gain someone else's perspective.

Great discussion.
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I agree. I had my own perspective many years ago. As I learned more over the years, my perspective changed substantially. I became a UVA in 2005 then a full fledge SHARP Rep early last year. It added a new variable in the way things truly are and allowed me an additional insight into human psychology. It's truly amazing.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Regardless if our points of view differ, I respect that you have taken such a sincere interest in this topic and I certainly value your opinion because it's obvious you aren't ignorant on the matter.

It's pretty frustrating when captain-save-a-girl tries telling victims how they should handle these situations. I know they mean well but I'd rather discuss these things with people like yourself and the other contributors to this discussion who have some knowledge of the topic.
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CPT Kyle Schembechler
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Two points I wanted to address

1. I agree that it is a societal problem. Rates in the military will be skewed because of the disproportionate amount of 18-22 year olds, the demographic with the highest rate of sexual assault. Colleges and universities have the same problem as well, so in my opinion public education systems, namely high schools, should make a better effort to reach out to young adults as they prepare to go off on their own:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/harassing-military_738058.html

2. While I did find the film to be very eye opening, it resonates with different audiences in a multitude of ways. I, as a future officer and leader, told myself that I need to do everything that I can to prevent any crimes and set a standard of zero-tolerance for such abhorrent behavior. On the flip side, other college students (this was part of sexual assault awareness week at my school, it was mandatory for cadets to attend some events in lieu of SHARP training) developed very negative stereotypes about people in the military. The group hosting the events even went as far to say that they didn't want cadets at their events for fear of us scaring people, which I found to be mildly offensive.
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I hatred it! It is crazy to think that happens in our military. For a different perspective, you should also watch Justice Denied, if you are strong enough. That one is from a male perspective.
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I will definitely watch that. Thank you for the reference. Can't stand this kind of thing happening to men or women.
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SRA Constable,

I don't think you realize how happy it makes me that you were impacted by this documentary. Remember, you are the change. It is far too common that many want to wash their hands of the scary horrible things that are happening around. Please use your new found shock to help prevent it in your wing. I'm not saying go out and scream from the top of a mountain, however, just sharing with your wingmen will help make a difference. It is your generation that can help implement the necessary change. The more it is discussed in the open, the more others are aware of its occurrences and may even be able to prevent it from happening. At the very least, some may think twice before engaging. There are always going to be those perverts and others lacking the mental will power to resist, but some conducting these atrocities are well adjusted and just have a lapse in judgement, unable to comprehend the impact it will have on others. Look out for your fellow Airmen, male and female alike, as it can help prevent lives being shattered, perpetrator and victim alike.
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Well said sir. It is important that we inform as many people as we can about this, so that we can start the repairing process and hopefully help prevent this from happening.
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I am a SARC/VA for the Louisiana National Guard. During the two week training we watched the Video. It is a good Video. i went to a refresher course and this guy really hits the nail on the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElJxUVJ8blw
It deals with changing how we all look at sexual assault and harassment.
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MSG Lance Kelly
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I had to walk out. I know a couple of females who were sexually assaulted, one was there that day. At the time I was also taking a "Women in Leadership and Film" course and we were focusing on movies where women were abused in many forms and unable to stand up for themselves.
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First I would like to say that what happened to these women should not be tolerated and these are some of the worst cases that I can imagine. Commanders at all levels across all the services should seek to find those guilty of these crimes and punish them.
But that said, I think this movie is a pile of crap that is grossly exaggerating the situation and pushing an agenda of taking power away from commanders and giving it to a new army of civilian employee lawyers.
ALL of the statistics in the movie are extremely questionable. In fact when I watched the movie over a year ago I pointed out all the inconsistencies to the SHARP coordinator she agreed with me. The Part that made me mad was the disregard for the rule of law and demanding punishment without regard for the rights of the individual to due process. In the movie they mentioned that soldiers getting NJP for sexual assault is “sweeping it under the rug”. If you think that when someone get’s NJP or a letter of reprimand for sexual misconduct that is “sweeping it under the rug” you are wrong. In the civilian legal system these are cases where no charge would be made at all and the offender would walk. In the military a commander needs NO evidence to give a letter of Reprimand, he needs a better than 50% chance you did it for NJP. In the Civilian system the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the offender committed the crime.
I would argue that the military punishes a much higher percentage of offenders than does the civilian system. I don’t know how we couldn’t with the way the systems are set up. When I was a Company Commander one of my Soldiers was sent to the USDB for sexual assault for having sex with another soldier who was too drunk to consent. Without a long CID interrogation he would not have been convicted. The women in my family who have been victims of similar sexual assaults did not have their attackers given such rigorous questioning and NONE of their attackers were charged.
In fact I challenge you to take your own informal poll of the people you have known who have been victims of sexual assault. How many civilians’ victims do you know whose attackers were charged or convicted?
I think too often we reactively set our “number one priority” without looking at the whole story and how we compare to our civilian counterparts.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Interesting perspective sir...I think I'm starting to see why y'all said taking authority away from the commander is an emotional response. At first I took that as two men telling women they're letting their emotions manipulate logical thinking (which yes, as women we do tend to think with our emotions lol).

But now I can see how y'all didn't mean it in an offensive way and maybe you're right. Maybe this is a desperate attempt based on the emotions of so many victims to finally get the help we need.

Im not saying it's a bad thing that our emotions are so deeply involved and Im sure y'all didn't mean that either. But maybe you're right, maybe this emotion-driven attempt to remove power from the commanders isn't the right approach to fixing this epidemic. Hmmm...something I'll definitely be thinking about. Thank you MAJ Miller and SSG Redondo.
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SSG Daniel Deiler
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SSG Redondo - Why would taking UCMJ authority away from commanders be a massive and catastrophical blow to the military and weaken it? They are only talking about taking away UCMJ authority over sexual assault/harrasment cases correct? I see this as a huge step forward. You mention that lawmakers "are looking at it through the prism of emotionality." That is EXACTLY why I believe UCMJ authority SHOULD be removed from Commanders. Commanders are far too close to the Soldiers. They know them by name, by face, by job...maybe even know their family and instead of listening and examining all facts and making a decision based on that information alone, they think about how good of a job so and so did on that FTX or QTB briefing. They remember meeting at an organizational day and how their children all played together and laughed and had a great time. Their judgement becomes clouded and the emotionality becomes involved.

I will say I do NOT think it should be investigated or tried by a civilian authority. It should, as MAJ Miller stated, be investigated by CID or perhaps similar to a 15-6 where an investigating officer is appointed from outside of the organization.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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*Outside of the organization is key as well as it being someone who doesn't have another full time job to worry about.
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I think you are on to something SSG Woods. I think the investigation should be done outside of the organization as well. Have another commander other than your own look into the assault, that way there will be less emotions involved. There won't be any familiarity between the commander and accused/accuser.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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It forced the Department of Defense to take immediate action...can't solve the problem, but you CAN take care of the victims.
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That is very true, it did cause the DoD to take immediate actions. You can start the process of finding solutions to begin fixing the problem.
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Don't be fooled, victims still face backlash to this day, in the military. I've seen more screwed over than helped. One of my good friends took her own life because of the treatment and victim shaming she received.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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It's not close to perfect yet, SGT Mickles, but it's a lot better than it was...progress.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I saw this documentary several months ago. Unless I was asleep which I did not, I missed the part about men being sexually harassed and assaulted.
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It was part of the statistics, SSG Martin.
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The number of male victims most recently published, blew my mind. Look at the statistics and then look at your formation. Do the math. It is quite disturbing. If you really want to be depressed, look at the both male and female... You really begin to wonder exactly how widespread the problem is.
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SSG Martin, men are just as harassed or assaulted as women. It's just that it's reported quite a bit less than those against women. Look into it. Request to be a SHARP Rep and attend the two week course. Some really great, and sometimes disturbing, information.
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If a TC "ass punches" their gunner to redirect the gun in the HMMWV. That is Sexual Harassment and included in their numbers.
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It is a good documentary and, as SSG Woods mentioned, needs to be part of SHARP training. There are a few issues though, and I'm speaking as a SHARP rep. While the video is worth using as a discussion tool, it must be done very carefully by someone who is passionate about the subject, has watched it multiple times and understands the pros and cons of the video. As much as the video does the job of bringing sexual assault into the open and slams the military (in several scenes), there are several distortions in it.

I bought the video early last year after watching it in the SHARP certification class. I wanted to use it as a discussion tool (I hate powerpoint slides for training) for my unit. Unfortunately, our BDE CDR put a temporary halt BDE wide on the use of the video due to the inflammatory verbage against the military. I had watched the video several times before speaking to him and explaining why it is a good video to watch but heavilly supervised. To this day, i have watched the video over a dozen times and still believe it can be worthwhile.
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SSG Woods, you bring up a great point about how a victim feels. The problem can be rectified through education and a willingness to stand up. Like I mentioned in another thread, we need more people to be willing to stand up for others who are being victimized. This not only includes passionate SHARP/SARCs but also supervisors, peers, and subordinates. How many people would truly do something? Seriously? Against a junior? Against a peer? What if you see a Senior in trouble?

The part on the SHARP/SARC is critically important because they are the ones who are presenting new information and leading positive discussions to stimulate new thought processes. If the Rep is NOT passionate enough to stay in contact with a victim and keep them informed, then they shouldn't be in the position.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Nothing shy of getting sexually assaulted hurts more than seeing a bored SHARP rep who got tasked to do this as a gig put on a lame power point. I completely agree, SHARPs and SARCs should absolutely have a passion for their position.
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SSG Woods, that's why if you ever sit in on one of my forums, you will very rarely ever see powerpoints. I use videos and specifically guided discussion, which most Soldiers have liked.
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Zero tolerance policies are very counterproductive. They very rarely "catch" true perpetrators but instead demonize and elevate the most minor transgressions or even actions that have nothing to do with the policy itself. They are in essence emotional arguments to gain control.
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