Posted on Apr 12, 2014
Shaved heads in basic training; is this mandatory? If it is, then why and why only for males?
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So I was in basic training land today to help with some medical stuff. I couldn't help but noticed all the shaved heads all over the place and then the females with 20 ft of hair. In an era where we are screaming equal treatment; is this equal?I am also wondering why does a new private have to get his head shaved in the first place? Why not just a haircut within Army Standards?
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
*****UPDATED******
Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
Edited >1 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 458
The Army is making headway with equality but a long way to go. There are numerous things that EO doesn't address. The hair, married soldiers gets paid more money and better housing for same work. and additional uniform options for females
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The "hair standards have nothing to do with equality" is SO much what a prog lib feminazi would argue until her face matched her hair. Dogmatic statements like that attempt to shut out any disagreement because, being said as a statement of fact, they require more of a confrontation to argue. Most people now won't, but to not speak up is just enabling them. An excellent choice to stimulate response. I'm surprised there were 15% of this demographic picked that one.
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I'm astounded that the reasoning for the "cue ball" haircut for men isn't clearly understood. It's the very first, most basic step in creating a unit. The recruits enter the barber shop as a number of distinct individuals. Easily identified and sorted. They exit the building with very little difference in appearance. You have to hear a voice to recognize the guy you went in with in many cases. You start with erasing individual appearances as much as possible. Then starts the hard part for the DI/CC or what have you. The rest of basic is to mold the actions and thoughts into a single purpose as much as possible. I shudder to think how much harder it will be for instructors to create an integrated unit when they have to allow individual traits in appearance handcuff their efforts. I can't believe that leadership is contemplating catering to a millennial mindset over training efficiency. I'm concerned that this kind of concession will contribute to the creation of more 'Bergdahl' types in field units. I will confess I haven't much considered the effects of hair regulations for women. Women were just beginning to work sea duty posts when I got out. There was a lot of resentment over the preferential treatment they received at the beginning of the integration. I suppose if we stick to the equal treatment policy they should also do the cue ball. It's a temporary thing, hair grows back. However, given that women would have more hair to grow back, I would be amenable to the women receiving a regulation service males haircut for basic.
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Originally, the shaving of the hair off the head had nothing to do with transition. Believe it or not, it actually was a health issue. During WW II, many draftees came from homes that had poor personal cleansing practices, which included hair lice. Since lice can spread like wildfire among humans, the quickest solution was to shave the heads of all recruits. With shaved heads, all recruits looked the same, hair wise. Thus, they also learned that looks had nothing to do with performance. The infestation of lice has long been removed, but the shaving of the head of all recruits remains a tradition. Now, with the inclusion of females into all facets of military life, the shaving of the head for recruits has become one of sexual equality. With the eradication of lice as a clinical problem, I personally think that all recruits, male & female, should have the initial haircut to military standards and not shaved heads.
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I showed up with my head shaved week within regulation. The ground the razor so deep I was bleeding for my CAC picture. Without even cleaning the razor before or after me. Obnoxious. Then they make you pay for this terrible haircut that only the makes have to do and at a taste higher than a styled haircut elsewhere. I think it's unnecessary and nothing to do with breaking and remaking a soldier. I've seen segments that there's no time to get regular haircuts, but there's plenty. They do it at every other post and base just fine. My haircut still generally takes less time than their shaving did considering you had to do it every week or two. It reached lessons of inequality between recruits, and enforced standards that are not regulation. In my opinion, this needs to stop. Primacy should enforce regulation. Nothing more or less. That is how you create clear and critical obedience when necessary later on. Just my 2¢
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No...it’s mostly for hygiene. Same reason they used to shave prisoners heads.
Some high school and college sports teams also shave their heads the first day of camp, primarily to start the bonding that is so necessary for their best performance. As military recruits the act equalizes us all and begins a similar process.
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OK, a great subject! I voted for the "Both males and females should have their heads shaved if any at all." because of the "if any at all". I'm not for women getting their hair shaved, but I'm also not for women being able to wear it any way they want, even within regs.
First, I can't imagine going through basic training and having to worry about my hair, or a mustache. There's too much going on to fiddle with it, and honestly, be harassed by DI's with different opinions on the standard.
At one time, way back when I first joined, in the National Gaurd men could wear wigs. Absolutely a stupid idea, and thankfully it went away not long after I joined.
Being in Combat Arms and going to the field for "extended fun" for the first time with an Army standard haircut on the long side turns out not to be so much fun when you're short on water, and showers aren't available.
But, I digress. I believe that a major portion of basic training is learning in a short amount of time to work together as a team no matter what your background. Race, religion, ethnic, rich, poor, GED or Doctorate. ALL ARE EQUAL! The first thing that evens us out is the uniform and our rank- Trainee. The second thing that evens us out is the part of the uniform that we wear on our head, our haircut. The third thing that evens us out is fair treatment by the Drills. Everybody gets treated badly, woke up at the same time, whether O dark 30 or later, (except for gaurd duty), does pushups (punished) at the same time, does the same extra duties and same training.
How else do you take individual soldiers of a thousand different backgrounds and directions, and turn them into a fighting team with one purpose and goal?
IMO, Males should get the buzz cut number 2 or 3 comb, Women should not get a buzz cut, but a uniform short cut, for example using a number 8 comb attachment all over. If the recruit, male or female, can't handle the thought of having their hair cut close for 8-12 weeks, and it would keep them from joining, they're probably in the wrong place, and the military can save itself from wasting tens of thousands of training dollars.
First, I can't imagine going through basic training and having to worry about my hair, or a mustache. There's too much going on to fiddle with it, and honestly, be harassed by DI's with different opinions on the standard.
At one time, way back when I first joined, in the National Gaurd men could wear wigs. Absolutely a stupid idea, and thankfully it went away not long after I joined.
Being in Combat Arms and going to the field for "extended fun" for the first time with an Army standard haircut on the long side turns out not to be so much fun when you're short on water, and showers aren't available.
But, I digress. I believe that a major portion of basic training is learning in a short amount of time to work together as a team no matter what your background. Race, religion, ethnic, rich, poor, GED or Doctorate. ALL ARE EQUAL! The first thing that evens us out is the uniform and our rank- Trainee. The second thing that evens us out is the part of the uniform that we wear on our head, our haircut. The third thing that evens us out is fair treatment by the Drills. Everybody gets treated badly, woke up at the same time, whether O dark 30 or later, (except for gaurd duty), does pushups (punished) at the same time, does the same extra duties and same training.
How else do you take individual soldiers of a thousand different backgrounds and directions, and turn them into a fighting team with one purpose and goal?
IMO, Males should get the buzz cut number 2 or 3 comb, Women should not get a buzz cut, but a uniform short cut, for example using a number 8 comb attachment all over. If the recruit, male or female, can't handle the thought of having their hair cut close for 8-12 weeks, and it would keep them from joining, they're probably in the wrong place, and the military can save itself from wasting tens of thousands of training dollars.
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In the Marines we had shaved heads, unbloused boots and the top button fastened in 1st phase. You had to earn the right to blouse your boots, unbutton the top button, and get a high and tight haircut. It's part of the transformation as has been said and tradition. You conform to the Marine Corps, the Corps doesn't conform to you.
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To take away all that 'swagger' and I'm special thinking. It's a very small part of changing a civilian into a solider. Women have very different grooming standards, however the changes that are required of them in dress and grooming are often just as drastic from their perspective. Head lice is a problem in 4 star hotels, God knows a barracks can become a nasty place quickly, close quarters and all. Never agreed with joint basic training units, you soften the men to allow women integrated training. Either the standards are the same, or the training suffers.
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The requirement for shaving heads goes back to the public health concerns of housing large groups of people from disparate backgrounds with questionable hygiene practices prior to arriving. Hair and body lice are easily stopped by shaving heads, showering, and taking away infested clothing. (Sounds like day 1 of basic training). Females were always treated like queens. Time to treat them equally. Haircuts for all.
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If your going to break them in . The both sexes should require equal training .
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I believe both males and females should have the option. I asked to have my hair shaved and was told no.
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Let's keep one tradition in the military. So many traditions have been taken away based off what society deems as appropriate or equal. I have been a firm believer in the military separating themselves from our civilian counterparts. Theres a reason why most take a hard look in the mirror before they join. I've already seen some compromises the military has made beginning to spiral out of control. Leave things alone.
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When I was in Basic (1971) we had a choice of shaved or 3”s. Most opted for shave!
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Head shaving in basic training is partially about stripping away individuality. You are no longer an individual, but part of a unit. Haircuts/styles are individual by nature. I am all for everyone having their heads shaved in basic.
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The original reason was two-fold:
It tended to put everyone on the same level in appearance, and
Checked for lice or other potentially infectious skin problems.
With the inclusion of women, an adjustment was made. But I do believe their is cut shorter.
It tended to put everyone on the same level in appearance, and
Checked for lice or other potentially infectious skin problems.
With the inclusion of women, an adjustment was made. But I do believe their is cut shorter.
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Shaving heads is stupid. Regulation hair should be the standard But I couldn't change my vote F* your dervuy. Ehetr my Wild Turleyz!
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I can already tell I am going to get fragged over my response, so here goes. It seems that when I scroll down through all the responses I notice one thing. The question originated from, and has been responded to, by Army. WTF? How does someone in the military get to be surprised that recruits have shaved heads? How do you get into the military at all and never realize what boot camp is like? Or officer candidate school,? Or military school? Next thing is that (in the Marine Corps at least) women have a hair style and length regulation. There is no such thing as 20 miles of hair. It is short. Damn short (at least in boot camp). Third thing is WHO THE HELL CARES ??? It is boot camp. Thirteen weeks (eight for all you others) of a persons life. It isn't as if the military makes you stay that way. As a matter of fact, the Corps does not approve of shaved heads and even tried to go as far as doing away with the "high and tight".
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