Posted on Apr 12, 2014
Shaved heads in basic training; is this mandatory? If it is, then why and why only for males?
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So I was in basic training land today to help with some medical stuff. I couldn't help but noticed all the shaved heads all over the place and then the females with 20 ft of hair. In an era where we are screaming equal treatment; is this equal?I am also wondering why does a new private have to get his head shaved in the first place? Why not just a haircut within Army Standards?
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
*****UPDATED******
Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
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Hey in 1989-1990...in the army...that was your first sign that your not at home anymore and your first step in the army and your first step into a fraternity that will last you forever, in a bigger world
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I agree, females want equal treatment then shave their heads too, but I think in todays world this 'tradition' of shaving heads is not really necessary. There are other ways to tear down the weak, sniveling civilian and build him or her back up again!
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I feel the military is different from civilian life. We must keep that. Our unit all had the same haircut it was part of our uniform. It showed pride unity and it was part of who we were. Military life has changed much but something's must stay
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In the Marine Corps I grew up in the hair cut the first day on Paris Island is taking every thing from you and building the recruit up. You earn everything in boot camp even the patch of hair the recruits in the final phase was earned. We couldn’t wait until third phase to grow our hair out even the little we were allowed to grow. I enjoyed earning everything even the most common things. It was part of the whole process to me.
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I think the hair cuts in boot camp should follow regulations. I got out of the Navy in 1986 so no doubt things have changed. Male hair was high and tight, females were off the collar. They shaved the heads to bring recruits closer to the SAME. Their job was to tear you completely down to your very lowest point and then build you back up and train you to military standards. I could get on board with a females hair being cut from long hair to a length that is off the collar. Shaved heads also make the 7 min shower (I think it was 7 mins) possible. We would wash our hair with the same soap that we washed the rest of us. IDK, there is someone sitting in an office somewhere that makes a lot more money then I do, setting these rules but that's my opinion.
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For starters, I will leave the gender issue alone because I don't want or like a woman to look like a man. So lets just focus on the men. The shaved head should be a requirement in basic training. Plenty of people will not like what I am about to say, but tradition is a major part of the military and should be maintained. That haircut is part of an introduction to the military and shows that the recruits has left his civilian life behind. From that moment forward his life has changed and he is being recreated into a soldier.
From a practical standpoint the young soldier may not realize it at the time, but the shaved head also benefits him as well! For two months you get the privilege of playing in the dirt, doing nothing but exercising, shooting, and all those things boys and young men love, or should love to do. The cost however, is limited sleep and limited time for things like say... hygiene. I don't know about you, but old men like myself still go out into the yard and play around in the dirt making things, planting gardens, tending to the livestock (unless you're a city boy in which case you probably just sit in a metrosexual salon getting a manicure) and all the things an average day brings with it. At the end of the day I personally hate the feeling of grime stuck between the follicles of what is left of my hair.
Speaking of that, having a shaved head in basic training is simply good practice as well! Eventually you will become like me and realize that while you have never retreated in battle... your hair has. Sure, you can pretend you still have hair for a time. But after a while you have to accept the reality that a massive amount of hair on the side of your head does not constitute hair on the top of your head, even if you do let it grow over your ears. So you find yourself once again with an army regulation hair cut... and then you find that just isn't worth the effort nor the cost of paying a barber the full price for only 1/4 of the work, so you drop 20 bucks on a pair of clippers and simply cut your hair yourself... basic training style.
So there you have it. The shaved head boot camp haircut for the military man really does represent the full circle of life.
From a practical standpoint the young soldier may not realize it at the time, but the shaved head also benefits him as well! For two months you get the privilege of playing in the dirt, doing nothing but exercising, shooting, and all those things boys and young men love, or should love to do. The cost however, is limited sleep and limited time for things like say... hygiene. I don't know about you, but old men like myself still go out into the yard and play around in the dirt making things, planting gardens, tending to the livestock (unless you're a city boy in which case you probably just sit in a metrosexual salon getting a manicure) and all the things an average day brings with it. At the end of the day I personally hate the feeling of grime stuck between the follicles of what is left of my hair.
Speaking of that, having a shaved head in basic training is simply good practice as well! Eventually you will become like me and realize that while you have never retreated in battle... your hair has. Sure, you can pretend you still have hair for a time. But after a while you have to accept the reality that a massive amount of hair on the side of your head does not constitute hair on the top of your head, even if you do let it grow over your ears. So you find yourself once again with an army regulation hair cut... and then you find that just isn't worth the effort nor the cost of paying a barber the full price for only 1/4 of the work, so you drop 20 bucks on a pair of clippers and simply cut your hair yourself... basic training style.
So there you have it. The shaved head boot camp haircut for the military man really does represent the full circle of life.
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Is this really an issue? I’m sorry to sound cold or dismissive but it’s part of the whole package. Get over it.
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It is for hygiene purposes. You will see many people with fungus once they shave their heads. And in a couple weeks will go away
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I think we, as an advanced society, can probably evolve with this issue. Let's get some funds and perform a psychological impact survey to find out how a military would behave with different hair cuts. Both Male and female.
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Considering males still outnumber females and considering reception is a lengthy process, it's more efficient to line up the males and spend a minute or two on their hair vs catering to a style they want. In BCT you shouldn't get to choose, that's done for you as part of the breaking down and shaping process. It's about keeping everyone looking and training the same.
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All recruits need shaved heads. Then head lice can be hunted with the small hammer.
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The regulation for women was hair could touch, but not fall below our collars. Mine was waist length so had to be worn up or cut, but my hair never took a curl, so a "short do" would always look unprofessional. I opted to wear it up, but that creates problems of its own. Many women now opt for "buzz" cuts or close to them. If you can, and it works on you, by all means go for it.
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CPT William Jones
The haircut deal is not what works for you but what works for the military and should be the same for all members There are two places folks are the same hair on heads and boots on feet. No reason the rules cant be the same. If women can hide long hair under their headgear the men should also be able to do the same thing.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
CPT William Jones Would you be willing to wear a bun, beard and pinned up or chigmoned hair? Covers come off , but hair still mustn't exceed regulation length.
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when I entered into the U S. Army in 1979 we had our heads shaved as a response to basic military doctrine , the reason was to stop lice ,or sand mites during field training exercises such as rifle range , overnight stay in our tents and a new way of life . your in the army now . time to put up or shut up.
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I was told the reason was that some Men came to boot and they were not very clean. The shaved head was to get rid of lice and any other problems. It has become a Rite of passage since then.
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I wondered the same thing!!! Wtf do I have to shave my head for bootcamp if women don't?? Totall bs!!!! Why do I have to do more push ups or situps or run faster that a female in the same military I'm in??? I love that they are in and respect a few I served with but don't respect the standards!!
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I think since this is the years of equal rights, they should their hair above their ears.
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I don't have a problem with the same standard for all enlistees, regardless of gender. You want to be a llumberjack, then you need to be able to handle your end of the log, whether male or female. If we need to shave heads to begin the integration of enlistees into the force, then it should be he same for all. No one's "feelings" are more important than anyone else's, right?
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The original purpose for the shaving was to prevent lice in the spread of disease and the close quarters that is basic training. And that is just as real a reason now as it was 50 years ago.cupping said I think that a woman's commitment to the military should be just as much as a man's. So if she wants to serve she should give up as much as he does including her hair.
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A close cropped haircut is not head shaving! So the question is somewhat bogus. It's has been many a decade since I got a close cropped haircut in Basic. Back in the 60's my hair was not an issue and I accepted it, to conform with AF regulations. It grow out very well with the next month. Kept it short for 15 years. I still can't accept long hair even on my son, who is 54 now.
But many people had no idea of how to maintain body health standards and it was necessary for some to protect us all. (lice, BO, and general bathing standards.)
But many people had no idea of how to maintain body health standards and it was necessary for some to protect us all. (lice, BO, and general bathing standards.)
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