Posted on Nov 3, 2013
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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?

"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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LTC Gene Shewbert
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I agree and support the regulation when it comes to saluting, but the truth is the salute is a time honored recognition between warriors.  It is rendered out of respect for each other and the tasks we are asked to perform.  We too often see saluting as some obligatory requirement to recognize rank.  Too often I heard Non-commissioned officers stating, "that LT is barely out of school, with my experience he should be saluting me."  When I have encountered this, I have always taken the position of your right...you have a great deal of experience and as the Trainer of Soldiers it is your responsibility to TRAIN that officer and bring him or her up to speed with their duties and skill sets....it isn't about rank...its about creating a survivable combat team.  Recognize the fact that every Soldier took an oath...put on their uniform and understands the responsibility....exchange the salute as kin warriors.
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SFC David Hawk
SFC David Hawk
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I was a SSG in 5/17th FA in Germany in the late 80's. I was the Supply Sergeant for B Btry. I got assigned a brand new 2LT, who became my Supply Officer. His main duty was Fire Direction Officer (FDO). He came in all fired up and bushy tailed wanting to know everything I did, what I was working on etc., I asked him if he knew all there was about being an FDO and he said no he didn't. So what I did was give him a copy of my Supply Update and told him if I needed him, I'd contact him that his main job was to learn how to be the best FDO the Army ever had. I relieved him of the necessity of worrying about this additional duty he was assigned, so he could concentrate on learning his real job. I also gave him the option of answering any question about accountability within the unit. He made Captain really fast.

Our job as NCO's with our vast experience and knowledge is to train our young Officers appointed over us in a ways that will build strength within our ranks - or thats what I tried to do while I was on duty. I know this original post was about saluting (a time honored tradition to show respect) but I felt I needed to respond to your comments about us NCO's training our Officers.
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PO1 Alan Joseph
PO1 Alan Joseph
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LTC Buddy Alsbrook - Not sure what you are referring to that the insignia is the same for an LTC and a Colonel (save the color). The Silver Oak leaf is a far cry different than the eagle that resides and often shits on the branch that bears the oak leaf. I think you might be thinking of when you were a Major and saluted an LTC. Just an observation from an guy who wore a crow...
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SPC Kelley McMahan
SPC Kelley McMahan
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Yes as many have already stated. The 2 Lt should be the one to render salute unless proscribed due to many circumstances where it is inappropriate. It is the job of every NCO and officer within his command structure to ensure that said LT knows which is which. During Desert Shield, my unit got assigned a "90 day wonder" as they are sometimes called who insisted that everyone below his rank salute, going so far as to openly chew on a CSM for not doing so. LT got "fixed" by the LTC fairly fast and several enlisted would salute him afterwards with the greeting "sniper check Sir" it ended shortly thereafter.
For those that might ask, all this occurred at an FOB 6 km from the Iraqi border.
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MSgt Paul Connors
MSgt Paul Connors
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As Major Dick Winters said in BAND OF BROTHERS when Captain Herbert Sobel saw him at war's end and attempted to walk by WITHOUT Saluting: "Captain Sobel, we salute the rank, not the man." At that point, Captain Sobel rendered a salute (as he should have when approaching Winters [or any superior officer]). I've known my fair share of officers who didn't deserve the respect their rank allotted them but I ALWAYS saluted the rank, regardless of who wore it.
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When I was a young 2LT, back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, my company commander was a 1LT. He was a great leader and a great mentor. I would have considered it disrespectful not to salute him. Less because of his rank, but more because of who he was and the position that he held. Should we feel any different about LTC's saluting COL's or BG's saluting MG's? Of course not. Each is entitled to a salute IAW military regulations and customs and courtesies. I would feel bad if I hadn't rendered a salute to that 1LT who helped me get to where I am today!
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Well said, MG (Join to see) . Well said, MG Bosse. Sir, I consider it a privilege to salute my commanding officers. I would not be here today if not for their mentorship or leadership lessons that they have taught me, that I'm working to pass down to our future army leaders.
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LTC Meloni Beauchamp
LTC Meloni Beauchamp
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The SGM at my ROTC was RIF'd after Vietnam and returned as an E-7 retiring later as a SGM. He saluted me (2LT) while he was still on active duty and we ran into each other at Ft. Lewis. I was with some National Guard NCOs that were amazed that a SGM would salute a lieutenant. I explained that it was because he was a professional and respected the rank. He retired from the Army (still stationed with ROTC) in 1991, passed away in 2015 at age 73 and had at least 26 former cadets at his celebration of life because of the impact and role-modeling he provided to cadets for many, many years. Others would have attended had there been more notice given.
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CPL James S.
CPL James S.
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IOW MG (Join to see) - lead by example!
Hoo-rah
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Sgt Ronald Paden
Sgt Ronald Paden
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SPC (Join to see) - Respect............ I have a lot of respect for many 2nd LT’s that come into their jobs knowing they need OJT and others that I have quickly lost my respect because they ‘knew everything’. The rank requires your respect it’s up to the LT to loose it. A great NCO will help and back their LT to become a better officer, as well that LT should graciously receive that help
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The other day I watched our Battalion CSM salute a brand new WO1 who had
just recently returned from WOCS. The WO1 looked surprised, embarrassed and
proud all at once and as for the CSM, he was doing what was right and
respectful and thought nothing else of it. It warmed my little NCO
heart. Be the example.<br>
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SPC Tobor Dabot
SPC Tobor Dabot
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"It warmed my little NCO heart." really wow didnt know NCO's had hearts *G*
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SFC William Allen
SFC William Allen
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SPC Tobor Dabot - I always tell people that the part of my brain that registered insults was surgically removed when I became an E7.
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CWO4 Will Bush
CWO4 Will Bush
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That's the major difference between Army & Navy. We are all Chief Warrant Officer's (Commissioned CWO2 to CW05). Army has nonc-commissioned WO1's. Also, you must be a CPO, SCPO or MCPO (E7, D8, E9) to apply for the Chief Warrant Officer program. This is why our CWO's have so much respect by the enlisted community especially the Chief's community, we came from their ranks and they can't fool us. PS I was also a Commanding Officer as a CWO4 and had Army, Navy & Air-Force personnel (Joint Command) and we had a super team of Army, Navy, Air Force.
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SFC Shawn Harris
SFC Shawn Harris
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Lead by example!
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