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Absolutely YES! And this is why:
1SGs and CSMs have no command authority. Only commissioned officers do. BUT 1SGs and CSMs are buddies with people who do.
They play golf together, hobnob with other high-echelon big toes at fabulous parties, and give the commander what he or she desperately needs: obsequious, boot-licking compliments necessary to maintain the commander's ego, motivated to do so to get that awesome assignment in Hawaii, to forget that "one time" with a PFC, and to keep their designated parking spaces at the PX.
In short: they will tell on you, like a hall monitor at school. So don't run down the hall, you miserable LTs. Busting your butt to earn your commission has meant nothing. The 1SG/SGM will take your name down and tell on you.
But, you know, who cares. It's just military discipline flipped upside down.
1SGs and CSMs have no command authority. Only commissioned officers do. BUT 1SGs and CSMs are buddies with people who do.
They play golf together, hobnob with other high-echelon big toes at fabulous parties, and give the commander what he or she desperately needs: obsequious, boot-licking compliments necessary to maintain the commander's ego, motivated to do so to get that awesome assignment in Hawaii, to forget that "one time" with a PFC, and to keep their designated parking spaces at the PX.
In short: they will tell on you, like a hall monitor at school. So don't run down the hall, you miserable LTs. Busting your butt to earn your commission has meant nothing. The 1SG/SGM will take your name down and tell on you.
But, you know, who cares. It's just military discipline flipped upside down.
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No but should show respect to a senior NCO.
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Any butter bar, expessially a cadet, should have to stand at ease for senior enlisted until they make Captain. Cadets making officer should be stopped, or at least the cadet should be made to go through BCT. If not, and you put a cadet with no or hardly any time in for senior enlisted to square him/her away and drop them in a hot LZ, they will get themselves and their platoon wasted. In my opinion, only NCOs should be able to transition to Officers.
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LTC Pete Moore
There are no Cadets in ANY "hot LZ". Army regs outline what protocol is to be followed and have been the same since before there was a US Army so... don't see that happening.
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MAJ R. Andrew Hoskinson
You do realize that there's a difference between a cadet and a 2LT, don't you?
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1LT Rich Voss
Well, you're a SGT, so you can have an opinion and still not be right. Senior Enlisted, are still that, enlisted. You would have to read my other posts to see the outcome of what happened when my first "Top" decided he wasn't going to "salute any old butterbar". Cadets, as the good Colonel and Major have pointed out, are not yet commissioned officers. And I my opinion, upper E's have no business treating them as if they were "slick-sleeve" E1's. Just like karma, what goes around comes around. I had the fortune, to them MISfortune, of having two of my DIs (one from basic training, one from AIT) both E6's, serve under my command after I had become an officer via OCS. They rotated into my command within days of one another. They recognized me as instantly as I recognized them. I let them "sweat" for several weeks before telling them there were "no hard feelings". I always appreciated the years of experience of the Senior NCOs I had the pleasure of serving WITH, not for, and learning many things that just aren't taught in one's first year of so of service. That being said, I won't tolerate a sloppy salute or grumbled "Good Afternoon, Sir".
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LTC Pete Moore
SGT you have a lot of growing up to do. Perhaps your CSM can help. PSG’s have a sacred duty to help 2LT’s learn and grow to become competent. You need to grow too! Do you think the officers and nco’s of The past were somehow less competent than you? Second “cadets” don’t lead troops in combat, CTLT preps cadets to become 2LTs, as does the ROTC or service academy training. 2LTs goes to a basic Officer training and branch specific training to learn how to lead troops in garrison and combat. You want better officers learn how to be a better NCO! My perspective as a former SSG, cadet, rifle platoon leader, and nine tours of combat as an infantryman and special operations guy.
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I do, especially when they are mine, and when I was a PL. Joes see a lot, and I want them to see me practicing what I preach. I expect the same from everyone else, so why wouldn't I practice it myself?
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I don't think he should stand at ease but I do think that the 1SG or CSM has earned some respect even from officers. I was only a lowly EM highest rank Spec 4 and i always showed respect for for all E6 and above mainly because they earned it. We had some fresh out of the fridge butter bars who also got my respect not because they earned it yet, but because they were officers. You have to respect the pecking order.
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As a retired 1st Sergeant--- I would never expect a Lieutenant to stand at ease when he is addressing me-----Genuflecting would be quite sufficient---providing it didn't make his pants baggy
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It's not required. However, senior NCOs deserve the utmost respect, considering what it took to get to that rank/position. A good NCO, junior or senior, can make or break an officer's career, depending on the caliber/character of that officer. I've seen ignorant LTs fall on their swords when they try to pull rank on an NCO, especially a senior one. I myself will instead seek out those NCOs for advice and guidance. I'm prior enlisted, so I think that gives me better perspective on how to treat NCOs.
Remember that we're a volunteer Army, so each Soldier, regardless of rank, who chooses to enlist should be treated with the same respect you'd want for yourself. As the late GEN H. Norman Schwarzkopf said at his farewell address at West Point, "Every Soldier wants to do well."
Remember that we're a volunteer Army, so each Soldier, regardless of rank, who chooses to enlist should be treated with the same respect you'd want for yourself. As the late GEN H. Norman Schwarzkopf said at his farewell address at West Point, "Every Soldier wants to do well."
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I was enlisted (NCO) before becoming an officer. The bottom line - there is tremendous wisdom in all ranks and when I grew most is when I listened to the good advice and developed the professional ability to judge and decide (maturity). My most influential military leaders - a few of my 1SGs and CSMs, drill sergeants, and a few excellent officers and warrants I served with. CSM, 1SG, CWs, and COL/LTCs have seen a great deal and one should cultivate mentors - but the rank structure is in place for a reason and appropriate courtesies should always be shown. Senior NCOs, officers, and warrants would expect and enforce no less.
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