Posted on Aug 20, 2019
Should active or reserve mil pers be discharged "other than honorable" for displaying or assoc with Nazi or White Supremacy symbols/groups?
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Absolutely. It's a violation. Displaying these types of things is Hate Speech. I think there is absolutely no question with the Nazi Flag. The rebel flag is more questionable though. I say it is absolutely hate speech, but we still have states that incorporate it into state flags, so it might be a harder case.
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SSG Dave Johnston
Define "Hate" speech, define it in such a way as it will not violate ones 1st Amendment protections; and please use the US Constitution to your thesis.
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MSgt Michael Smith
"The reason why fighting words are categorically excluded from the protection of the First Amendment is not that their content communicates any particular idea, but that their content embodies a particularly intolerable (and socially unnecessary) mode of expressing whatever idea the speaker wishes to convey."[7] Because the hate speech ordinance was not concerned with the mode of expression, but with the content of expression, it was a violation of the freedom of speech. Thus, the Supreme Court embraced the idea that speech in general is permissible unless it will lead to imminent violence." --Scalia -R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul
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MSgt Michael Smith
In today's environment, as demonstrated clearly in the news, almost daily. These types of symbols do in fact create an imminent danger just by being displayed. Look at El Paso, Charlottesville, etc. In the latter example, the very presence of these symbols ignited extreme violence. In El Paso, these symbols created a sense of belonging and unity that contributed to the warped state of mind that the shooter possessed. Perhaps it would be different in a less violent society, or a society with less access to weapons, but nowadays, symbols incite, and that incitement leads to mass shootings and death --imminent danger.
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SSG Dave Johnston
On top of being defeated, the passage of various Civil Rights Acts between 1866 and 1875 was a major cause of animosity among white Southerners towards the newly freed persons of color. With the passage of the "Posse Comitias Act" of 1878, the federal government lost its ability to enforce and protect persons of color whose civil and Constitutional rights where being violated until 1957 with the creation of the Commission on Civil Rights.
What I find most interesting is, those nations that also subscribed to the institution of slavery that did not erupt in a war over the issue of slavery, seem to have no animosity towards persons of color.... Hummmmmm…
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/freedmens-bureau
http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Constitutional-Amendments-and-Legislation/
What I find most interesting is, those nations that also subscribed to the institution of slavery that did not erupt in a war over the issue of slavery, seem to have no animosity towards persons of color.... Hummmmmm…
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/freedmens-bureau
http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Constitutional-Amendments-and-Legislation/
The Freedmen’s Bureau, formally known as the Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen and Abandoned Lands, was established in 1865 by Congress to help millions of former
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When it comes to hate related is looked at in a negative light you quite possibly could be separated for just the affiliation alone. When one joins the service they give up a lot of freedom to do as you wish. You are Uncle Sam's property until you part ways with him/her!
I believe it was asked if the rules for an AD soldier should be equally enforced or looked at in a different light. It would not be right to have a soldier treated any differently than the Guard and Reserve. It has taken this war we are dealing with for the Active Army to look at them as equals. Ps there are Active Guard and Reserve, they are serving due to the needs of their service. There is no longer a place for a soldier being treated any different
I believe it was asked if the rules for an AD soldier should be equally enforced or looked at in a different light. It would not be right to have a soldier treated any differently than the Guard and Reserve. It has taken this war we are dealing with for the Active Army to look at them as equals. Ps there are Active Guard and Reserve, they are serving due to the needs of their service. There is no longer a place for a soldier being treated any different
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Short answer.... yes. There should be no place in the military for racist.
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That's going to be difficult considering one of the more popular bits of white supremacist clothing accessories currently being worn and distributed by hate groups is also associated with a certain important political figure...
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SFC Michael Hasbun - I totally agree with the symbolism is obvious. It amazes me when people protect ANTIFA.
http://conservativefighters.com/news/look-antifa-just-changed-flag-scary/
http://conservativefighters.com/news/look-antifa-just-changed-flag-scary/
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Our readers just sent in some pictures that show the new flag that the ANTIFA terrorist group is using while destroying our nation. We have two pictures that will literally shock you and recall a DARK and HORRIFIC moment in history: The Nazi Germany! Our nation is facing a difficult time and we need to […]
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Are you sharing fake news from alt right sites and expecting to be taken seriously?
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LTC James McElreath
I read recently where a (white) soldier had a rebel flag pinned to is wall. The Co had it removed from the wall temporally. He met with the Cdr. and it was decided that he was committing a hostile work environment. The compromise was put it back but was to recovered. It was agreed upon and no further issues.
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Yes. This iscregulation for the most part. You represent a fighting force that is the envy of the world and although free speech is Constitutional. The Military has standards. Soldiers learn that how they carry themselves is important. If you live off base no issue.
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Sgt Jerry Genesio
PO3 (Join to see) - When and where did I tell you I approved of Antifa or any other group? You're making stuff up now, Jim, and that's a really weak defensive position.
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MAJ John Douglas
Sgt Jerry Genesio - I like to think I am intelligent enough to know cowardly, face covering, fascist thugs when I see them.
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Displaying, no. Associating, yes. I remember the countless briefings where I was td that we are not allowed to be affiliated with gangs or terrorists. There is even a list somewhere (supposedly) of officially sanctioned groups. I have to assume that the KKK is on the list, as are many neo-Nazi groups.
It is a simple choice. Once you enlist (or commission) you join the Army gang (or Marines, Navy, AF, CG). You get "jumped in" in basic, and you better be loyal to your gang. ALL other gangs are rivals, and you can't be in a rival gang.
It is a simple choice. Once you enlist (or commission) you join the Army gang (or Marines, Navy, AF, CG). You get "jumped in" in basic, and you better be loyal to your gang. ALL other gangs are rivals, and you can't be in a rival gang.
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All but two of 27 service members have been formally investigated and 18 service members were disciplined or separated from the military.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2019/09/13/27-reports-of-extremist-activity-by-us-service-members-over-the-past-5-years-dod-says/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2009.16.19&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2019/09/13/27-reports-of-extremist-activity-by-us-service-members-over-the-past-5-years-dod-says/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2009.16.19&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
27 reports of extremist activity by US service members over the past 5 years, DoD says
Out of those 27 reports, the DoD said all but two had been formally investigated and that 18 service members were disciplined or separated from the military.
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This is exactly how the Corps should respond to such cases:
In June 2018, Pistolis was sentenced before a military court to 28 days confinement, reduction in rank to E-1 and forfeiture of two-thirds pay for one month. He was booted from the Marine Corps in July 2018.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/09/04/the-neo-nazi-boot-inside-one-marines-descent-into-extremism/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Marine%20Corps%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup
In June 2018, Pistolis was sentenced before a military court to 28 days confinement, reduction in rank to E-1 and forfeiture of two-thirds pay for one month. He was booted from the Marine Corps in July 2018.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/09/04/the-neo-nazi-boot-inside-one-marines-descent-into-extremism/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Marine%20Corps%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup
The neo-Nazi boot: Inside one Marine’s descent into extremism
Battling violent hate threats — from within the Corps.
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