Posted on Apr 9, 2017
Should an officer be allowed to continue to serve on Active Duty after being relieved from command?
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Some officers are meant to command and lead, and others probably should never be allowed the opportunity. I'm a witness to the case of an ousted ex-commander now working as a staff-O "leading" a highly technical department - his lack of technical competence and inability to mentor and lead others is obvious. Should such an officer be "encouraged" to separate or retire early to make room?
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If they are incompetent to lead then there is no need for them. Anyone relieved of command should be separated at the same time.
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I don't know how it is in the other branches. But in Naval aviation unless you screen for command - you are a desk jockey and game over at 0-5. 0-4's do not command but are major department heads and compete with fellow 0-4's for the early promote ticket and a #1 or 2 fitrep from the CO - out of 5 LCDR's in the squadron. Once they make CDR 0-5, the real sweat starts to see if they will screen for operational command. (a squadron). IF they complete the squadron tour sucessfully and are the #1 or #2 out of all of the squadrons in the CAG (carrier air group) they promote to CAPT 0-6, and now again they sweat to see if they will screen for Major Command, a Carrier Air Wing job (CAG) or a deep draft ship (oiler etc) some may go straight to the Nuclear power command pipeline as a Carrier executive Officer. Now the competition for a star begins. 12 carriers - 12 CAPT's 0-6. Maybe 1 or 2 will get a star as a RADM. Non screen Commanders usually become Naval Air Station executive Officers . Non Major Command screen Captains become Naval Air Station Commanding Officers and or training command Commaning Officers.
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You do not get relieved of command for minor things. If the DOD is feeling magnanimous, allow him to retire. If not at a minimum Article 15 him for the offence that got him relieved of duty and force him out.
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The job of every officer is to command. It doesn’t matter what his assignment is, his first duty is command. If he is not fit to command he shouldn’t be an officer.
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I think if the army implemented a plan for a new rank system after specialist not nudging a a solider to be an nco if he not a leader but still giving him the opportunity to rank up it would help the problem
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So you mean like non leader NCO's and Officers like pilots, nurses and doctors? And any DIrect Input Limited Duty Officers. The Navy is clear on this you are a Line Officer or a Staff Officer. Staff officers can not take command of a ship. I am pretty sure Line officers that are releived of duty have no where to go. NCO's on the other hand probably retire. Never thought about it, or ran into it either.
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I realize I am probably staying the obvious but if he or she should be allowed to serve and be paid until the investigation is complete and an outcome has been reached.
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No, he should not be “encouraged” to separate or retire early, he should not be given an option! If you have been relieved of command, your case should be immediately reviewed by an impartial panel of officers. If it is determined that the removal was justified then you should be retired, or separated.
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No! If an officer is too incompetent to lead, maybe they shouldn't be in the service! Officers, for far too long, have been exempt from punishments, often meted out to the enlisted... they don't hesitate to burn a nonrate, for even the least egregious offences! No, it's time they face the same punishments, the enlisted do... this'll piss off a few, but it needed to be said!
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People have different temperaments and leadership skills. Running an organization where “one size fits all” has often lead to disaster. Evals can be written to reaveal strengths and weaknesses, or they are “walk-on-water” reports which reveal essentially nothing of value. Evals which would honestly hover between 3.4 and 3.8 should not be destructive to a career, but it is. ‘Had an ET SCPO who was an ace technician, but was promoted from CPO, which he loved. The promotion removed him from the hands-on aspect of his rating, and he hated being SCPO. He had little patience with paperwork tedium.
So, no. Officers in higher positions need to do their jobs and do some honest and effective evaluating.. there are many officers who have no talent in being assigned Line Officers.
So, no. Officers in higher positions need to do their jobs and do some honest and effective evaluating.. there are many officers who have no talent in being assigned Line Officers.
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Had 1 that was harmful to his enlisted 3 injury by him for being stupid
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I think everyone in every branch of service has known someone on the career path that they were convinced couldn't hack it anywhere else. It's not only common now, but so common throughout history that it's become a trope. Rare are the military sagas that don't have a Lt. Dike or a "Captain America" somewhere. But getting rid of them is always going to be a function of the higher chain of command, based on their observations of said individual's performance, and the performance of the unit. I don't think ANYONE in a leadership position could survive if their career depended on a handful of highly subjective opinions of subordinates.
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No they shouldn’t the Army is real fast to kill an NCOs career but love to protect their officer core.
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