Posted on Mar 26, 2018
Should an Officer wear a Driver's Badge that was earned while he was Enlisted?
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I've seen the posts about Officers not wearing qualification badges relating specifically to weapons qual, how they should be experts of everything etc. etc., but I've never heard anyone specifically address the driver's badge. It isn't anything spectacular or anything to write home about, but it is a badge nonetheless and represents a specific knowledge and skill. Thoughts?
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I'm retired Navy, what is a Driver's Badge? No equivalent insignia in the nav. Is there also a walk and chew gum badge?
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LCDR Ernest Heassler
CPT (Join to see) I've seen sailors march...they would never qualify for such an award.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
I would theink the Helmsman wheel like s Coxswain wear would be same as a driver/mech. The Coxswain / mate does steer the ship.
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LCDR Glenn Adwell
SSgt Boyd Herrst - Actually Quartermasters or deck seaman steer the ship. A coxswain steers a boat.
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I think it is to any officer's advantage to show he/she had prior enlisted service. It says "I have experiential understanding of what you are going through. "
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SFC Charles Woods
At Fort Leonard Wood MO,my battalion commander and my commander both wore good conduct medals .Both were,of course,prior enlisted.
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When I was a USMC NCO, I observed that ALL Marines of ALL ranks wore their individual marksmanship badges/medals (whatever). I considered this pretty normal until I was commissioned in the US Army and learned officers don't normally wear their weapons qual badges because of the some lame excuse that all are supposedly experts. Personal opinion and observation showed me it was more like many couldn't qualify with a service rifle or pistol if their life depended on it and so if they couldn't wear the 'expert' badge, they wouldn't wear anything at all. Personally, I think that's pretty lame.
Now, if I had a 'drivers' badge, I don't think I would wear it as an officer. Something about me being reminded not to drive any of my vehicles as a young 2LT because 1) If the Army wanted me to drive a jeep, they wouldn't have issued me a driver with it and 2) if I was driving one of my tanks or M113's (Cavalry Plt), then I wasn't 'leading' my Platoon. All that's subjective and personal opinion, but I don't think I'd ask another officer to remove any permanent award they'd earned regardless of what rank they'd earned it from.
Now, if I had a 'drivers' badge, I don't think I would wear it as an officer. Something about me being reminded not to drive any of my vehicles as a young 2LT because 1) If the Army wanted me to drive a jeep, they wouldn't have issued me a driver with it and 2) if I was driving one of my tanks or M113's (Cavalry Plt), then I wasn't 'leading' my Platoon. All that's subjective and personal opinion, but I don't think I'd ask another officer to remove any permanent award they'd earned regardless of what rank they'd earned it from.
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MAJ Fred Peterman
I was my own driver until I became company commander. Then I was assigned the communications NCO as my driver. The radios were squared away. Not only mine, but ALL of the radios. Whenhe wasn't driving for me, he was working on things for me. Like making sure ALL of the radios worked. His "oh, by the way" other duties went away. I and the First Sergeant kept him busy. I liked him, he liked me. That certainly didn't hurt.
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I wore my crewmember wings until I graduated Flight Nurse School, then I was allowed to wear either, but not both. I wore the Flight Nurse Wings.
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Badges and awards are based on the individual and not rank. In OCS and WOCS (yes, I was both commissioned and warrant) not only were we encouraged to wear our enlisted awards, the cadre required it. Most sergeants are savvy enough to recognize that officers with enlisted awards worn were likely more experienced and made better decisions.
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As someone who has walked both sides of the fence, I can see this issue from both perspectives. Some may feel the officer is “showing off”, some may feel Officers are expected to be proficient in many fields, some may see it as the officer having worked hard to get to where they are. That said, it is the Officer that has to reckon with who they are are what they put on their uniform. You earned it, wear it with pride. Be proud of what was accomplished. In some ways its like saying should an officer wear an Army Commendation medal that was earned when they were an E-4? Yes!
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Back in the day (1979-1992), I became a "Maverick;" went from E7, 91C40 to 2LT & elected VSI as a MAJ, 91B5F5K. It appeared to me that weapons qualification & others were not being worn by officers. However, I proudly wore my EFMB & my Master Instructor Badge. MAJ.
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I think you need to do some research into what it takes to get that badge before you say -- and I say this with respect -- inane shit like 'it's nothing to write home about'. Non-SF divers aren't SFs, but they go through THE SAME exact dive training. Which means some tens of hours of people with rebreathers trying to DROWN YOU OUT. Watch some youtube vids on 'drown-proofing' and then tell me if you still think it's nothing to write home about.
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SSG Carlos Madden
SN Greg Wright - One time I changed a member's tags because it was about Diver's school but I read it as Drivers so then the post made no sense. I assumed they had made the mistake. Nope, it was all me.
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