Posted on Apr 19, 2016
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So, there is this connotation that beards are unprofessional. This may have been true at one point, but no one can really argue that this is true today: statistically, bearded men get paid more and are preferred for management. Now here is the issue: beards used to be common in the military, but now is the exception to the rule (as a religious factor- and that is only in the Army!) In other works, if you are Sikh and enlist in the USMC, good-bye facial hair- you are just like anyone else...

The entire purpose of the clean shave was to ensure you could get a good seal on your gas mask, which is why you look at history and see those glorious beards and mustaches. In the early 1900s, it was stated that this facial hair will kill you, because you cannot get a good seal on your gas mask... While recently (allegedly) it was proven (by the Army) to be a non-factor in getting a good seal- I cannot confirm nor deny that this happened- but it does beg the question: if facial hair is a non-issue as it pertains to warfare, then why is it an issue?

Although I approve of the current policy, I wonder- if an Army Sikh officer can get a good seal on a gas mask with a full beard, then why can't the rest of us? I mean, it's not exactly tradition to have a clean shave; just look at a list of the Commandants! So... is it really unprofessional to have a beard, or is it a matter of being hard to regulate? And if it is it a matter of regulation, is it simply a lack of empathy on the subject? Keep in mind I don't care either way; I will maintain a clean shave because I look weird if I don't, but when you cut out tradition, and history, and practicality... It just doesn't make sense. Your thoughts, ladies and gents...
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Cpl Frank Doss
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I can't get a seal with my CPAP and 2 day's growth. I wonder if that would correlate to a gas mask and a full beard???
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Sgt John Nichols
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hell no...no beards..it seems that to be a man now you have to have a beard. bullshit.
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Sgt William Margeson
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Not only a good seal on gas mask, body hair attracts vermin. Not only that, it goes to good Grooming , but " Against good order and discipline ".
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PO3 Richard Jones
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I was in the Navy from 69 - 74, we were permitted beards when I had my tour overseas. When I got back state side it had to go. Shortly after that all hands were permitted to wear facial hair, within reason. I guess that went by the wayside since my time
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SN Peter Stella
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I believe the gas mask argument to be pretty much Bullshit- the real reason is a grooming standard. what the military needs to do is develops acceptable standards, and also policy. policy should include commitment- that is you are growing a beard or not- etc, I think there is an old marine MOH that had a beard way way way back. quite frankly Navy should allow long hair for men as it is traditionally correct.
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Sgt Anti-tank Missileman
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Pro beards: Having a beard does not degrade a marines effectiveness in combat. Marines will not suddenly lose discipline and forget misfire procedures because of a new uniform regulation. At the very least, meeting in the middle and allowing marines to just grow beards in the field and on deployment(in combat zones) would suffice.
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As was stated, tradition falls further on the side of allowing facial hair than not. When I was in the Reserves, I shaved twice a month, on drill days and have worn a beard since getting out. It does not affect my professionalism or detract any from my conservativism. I don't have any desires to cut off my ear or drink latte.
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SPC Rick LaBonte
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I don’t care which branch you are, facial hair shouldn’t be because of the possibility of having to wear the NBC mask
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Cpl Thomas Smith
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No beards!! Jarheads need something to look forward to!! Seriously, Marines are NOT individuals. They have enough choice in how short or not to cut their hair... Beards are just UNSAT.
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SPC Josh Little
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The gas masks that the military uses now is completely different than when that rule was written. I worked in the prison system we use those same masks and as long as you trim it right a beard will absolutely not interfere at all.
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