Posted on Oct 23, 2014
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Everyone has had one issue or another with cell phones in a deployed environment, but it's a reality of everyday life right now. There is benefit in "unplugging" and focusing on training without the distraction of the internet. All CTC's ban cell phones in the "box" since it poses a security threat and it becomes the go-to communication method versus using our MTOE equipment. Should we generally ban cell phone usage in the field for those reasons or are we just tilting at windmills?
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I had a bc that told is in an AAR in 2012 that we shouldn't use our cell phones because they wouldn't be available in Afghanistan. I had just returned less than a year prior and just looked over at him, trying to decide if he really believed it or was trying to make a point that we should rely on our radio comms. He really believed no one had cell phones in Afghanistan. I realized at that point he had never been.

In our rotation, everyone had a roshan phone. We even had a phone roster. They proved invaluable for times like indirect alerts and we had to get accountability of troops when we were spread out over a few miles on the fob. They proved even more valuable when we needed to call back across the fob or communicate with our LAR for critical parts for an aircraft.

Overall... I think that they should be allowed, but I think when it comes to training, they should be restricted. To remove them entirely isn't an effective training mentality. Train troops to use them effectively If anything. If they are a useful tool and you have them, why not use them?
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Strange. I served in Afghanistan and Iraq with combat units and the only people who had cell phones were the interpreters. That's it. Nothing else was allowed. It was a security risk...still is. The interpreters had it so the police chief or the mayor could call and vice versa. When not being used in conversation, they were locked up in the TOC under the Battle-Captain's seat. No one had cell phones...not even the BDE CDR.
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SPC Chelsea Fernandez
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I take my phone to the field all the time. How else we suppose to communicate with your chain of command? When I was deployed I didn't had. The only way to for me to communicate was over Skype and that was it.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I don't know what I would do if I wasn't allowed to use my Blackberry Z10 in the field. I can view and send e-mail, view a slide deck, make a slide deck, view, make, and modify memos, make spread sheets, and hold hundreds of ARs, FMs, and TCs. I of course would be wise when and not to use my Blackberry. Maybe that's the problem; Soldiers do not know when its appropriate to use their cell phone.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
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Well like has pointed out, taking on deployment can be deadly due to the fact, that with the battery in, it is always sending out signal. No it not the fact knowing when it is appropriate, it lack of training, and integrating into the service when it is appropriate. Yes, it can be handy to work on stuff while in field, when you have the time to, and to look up ARs, FMs, and TCs to have that library at your hands as needed.

You can do all those thing with with the exception of viewing and sending emails, with WiFi Tablet device too. The thread is too focus, Cell Phones in part of the larger, because today Tablets whether it uses Phone Data/WiFi or just WiFi can be added to these rules and regulations too, as should the iPod Touch which are basically iPhone without some of the added hardware to make it cell phone. With many of these Tablet they come small enough where they aren't much bitter than the largest Smart Phones out there anymore. Something to thing about, as well the use of such devices as flash drives, other versions of iPods, External Hard Drives (some are very small), and MP3 players. With the iPods, and MP3 players many of them can be used as external hard drives to hold more files than music, videos, and pictures.
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It's a sad state of affairs that viewing and editing slide decks and memos is required while you are in the field.
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SGT Joshua Young
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Well with the evolution of mobile devices come some pitfalls and some useful applications. I have really nifty applications on my phone that help me locate Satellites for my work with the STT, I use the compass to figure out where I need to point it, and I have a subnetting application for if I need to edit/ create a LAN list of IP's. However when I see a PVT sitting around watching shows or reading comics on their phones it frustrates me. For educational purposes yes, I can see a use for phones in the field. Depends on who's hands they are in and what they are being used for.
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Agreed. There are some great apps for military use. IT's good to have the Goals Book for counseling and a GPS in case of emergency. I prefer to limit their use instead of banning them. There's no sense in being a Ludite in an age where there is so much capability. Now, if we deploy...it's a different matter.
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SGT Joshua Young
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Well when I deployed I didn't have service for my phone anyways
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....theres an IPAD app that'll show you exactly where the sattelite you're trying to hit is at.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
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Yes if they are sitting reading comic or watching movie or tv show out in the field, during training, during business hours of the day, or duty post. Yes then they need to be corrected. If they are on more or less on free time, what should it matter, as long they not giving away their position in the field, and can hear what going on around them.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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I would say no, cell phones should not be allowed in the field, with the exception of those issued by the government.
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That's certainly the policy at the CTC's. In the local training areas it's up to the Chain of Command however. I prefer to set limitations on its use instead of trying to ban them outright. I've seen commanders give UCMJ for having a cell phone in the field. It never goes well for all involved. Absolutes fail...absolutely.
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No. Not on duty in the field/combat environment. They are distracting, can reveal a location, personal information, and should not replace nor supplement gov equipment. Too often, in my lane, people start giving operational security information to friends and family, releasing too much information that may endanger others.
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One complaint you will always get from Soldiers is the lack of capability of Army systems. It takes me 10 minutes to fire up this FBCB2, when I can immediatly text someone on my cell phone. I need a 200lb piece of military equipment to do (at half the capability) what Verizon has been able to fit into the palm of my hand. It's the ease of use which drives people to bypass the Army system and go straight to the cell phone. We (as a military) need to do a better job of creating systems that are as technologically advanced as our users.
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That is the key point, IMHO. We need to be creating systems that are as technologically advanced as our users. Case in point for CTC - if you are engaged with the civilian partner role players (DOJ, USAID, DOS), it's literally impossible to communicate with any reasonable expediency other than through civilian cell phones. To use MTOE-only equipment, you need to send a message via FBCB2 to higher, then higher has to send that message laterally to the DOJ/DOS lead, then that lead has to push the message to the partner. Then if you need a response, the partner then communicates back to the lead, to higher, then back to the boots on the ground. You'd never succeed in your mission, especially when one day is designed to represent 30 days of real world. NIPR was a virtual no-go as well, which might have been helpful to replace cell phone communication.

The alternative was to provide GSM phones that only worked in the NTC box. Regardless of the fact that they only worked 90% of the time, the civilian partners did not have access to them. And Soldiers could not use the GSM phones to call the partners' civilian cells phones.

It is a broken system for that one particular communication chain at NTC, one that can only be mitigated through the use of Soldier owned and maintained equipment right now, but that NTC and the Army as a whole needs to address. And this is real world, in a combat scenario like NTC delivers, some Soldiers will need the ability to communicate with local nationals and civilian partners who do not have access to MTOE equipment.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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What we can intercept, can be intercepted. What we can jam, an enemy can jam too. We rely too much on technology. Yes, some of it is necessary to be technologically superior and win wars. Not all of it falls in that category. Wristwatches evolved in WWI to synchronize firing and assaults--before that people thought a wristwatch was for sissies. Today, we don't really need them, but most of us have one. Or two...
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
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I agree it was bad enough with walkman back in the day and cameras, now with these cellphone in the last 20 years and other technologies.  Some items yes if you have some me time while out in the field, but if you going for field problem where there isn't no me time, show some discipline and leave it in the barracks.  Nothing worse than have earphone one and hearing someone calling your name in the middle of the night as they kick the small of your back as you are sacked out in the fart bag.
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SPC Scott Weber
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If the radio systems ran more like a cell phone then I bet most could use it. Radios for most are not used on a daily basis and for military members maybe th÷y should have one with them during day to day operations so they can keep in practice in usage. If you think the old faus of one radio operator in a squad is proficient. you m>ght wrong now each member needs to be able to send Intel up the line and fast as things in this time of technology is fast. But we must also be able to find none civilian structure communications and be individual proficient in operating a ra#io. Now part of this is at a BN level of having the commo people set radion nets up correctly or give proper info out to company and down range people.
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SSG George Holtje
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A CSM explained this once in an NCOPD. ‘We train as we fight, I shouldn’t be able to identify a position from all the blue lights.’
An Iraqi cell phone was nothing but trouble during Ops in Baghdad. We had to halt a convoy, turn off the Warlocks, so someone could bug our team chief about construction materials or something.
I’ve seen Article 15s stem from one photo.

Maybe take them out but for EMERGENCIES ONLY.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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P: TACSAT
A: BFT/JCRE
C: FM
E: cellular
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LTC Chief, Non Kinetic Effects
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The key is to use the cell phone technology of today, combined with advanced encryption for tactical Military use.
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