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Many of my battle buddies and I think that Engineers should have our Combat badge. The reason we feel this way is because when I get into a fire fight or blown up by an IED, I receive the CAB (Combat Action Badge). When a cook, mechanic or any other MOS (other than infantry) receive indirect on the FOB, they get a CAB as well. I'm not taking anything away from any MOS that doesn't leave the FOB, but thats why most 12Bs never wear their CAB unless they have other badges on their ACUs. Thoughts?
Posted 12 y ago
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The whole badge thing is dumb IMO. As the other guy pointed out it has become a trophy. Most of my unit didn't even bother doing the paperwork for the cab. Our new 1sg tried to convince me to do it when my old platoon Sgt was using me as a witness on his paper application affidavit ( whatever). I was one of the only ones left from that particular engagement. He was trophy hunting and I didn't give a damn about wearing the CAB. I know where I was and it isn't necessary for me to prove it to others. I had a two minute conversation with my rear D 1st Sgt about it and basically told him I know where I was and I have nothing to prove to anyone.
Amy life using the movies. There should be no medal for being in firefights unless you die saving someones ass. Trophy hunters want glory but that's not what the job is about. Take care of your buddy and train hard. Everyone comes home.
Amy life using the movies. There should be no medal for being in firefights unless you die saving someones ass. Trophy hunters want glory but that's not what the job is about. Take care of your buddy and train hard. Everyone comes home.
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Personally I was against the introduction of the CAB. Not because I didn't think it was a good idea to recognize non Infantry Troops who engaged in combat ( because I was one), but because the original concept renderings were way to similar to the WWII German Close Combat badge. In fact the CAB we wear today still has the same elements, the bayonet and grenade with oak leaves, but the position and shape is altered enough that it no longer looks like a Nazi holdover.
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Tried and struck down after WWII and Vietnam. https://www.legion.org/stories/other/where-credit-due
I believe it's time we honor all combat vets by drafting new legislation to create adequate awards for their service outside the wire. I believe that in the United States of America we take pride in our uniformed services and servicemembers. In the past the United States Army has had unofficial traditions that have grown to become apart of the the Army's overall identity. An example of this is the beret, in its many colors, coming and going...
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I am for it, and I was never an Engineer. But I also think there should be a Combat Artillery Badge as well as one for Cav/Armor. But I think I am in the minority with that.
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It doesn’t matter to me if there is a CEB or not. But some would have to admit that it is nice to see the identification of the combat arms MOS’s on the the BDU, DCU, ACU or whatever acronyms the Army can come up with for the ever changing uniform. Everyone deserves respect from one another while in service. The CAB is a good blanket badge if awarded properly. Some like to be distinguished by the badge because we all know that unit patches are more or less non existent.
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Well, I know we did not earn Cibs
In the nam, but being on mine sweep in 1969 In I corp (19th combat) was dangerous, tense ,
And sometimes deadly.
12 brovo was no picnic
In the nam, but being on mine sweep in 1969 In I corp (19th combat) was dangerous, tense ,
And sometimes deadly.
12 brovo was no picnic
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I totally agree, we saw action but not an everyday basis. But still we were in harms way many times
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Not sure how they operate these days, but as an electrician in 84th in 1986-1990 we were just engineers, and there was another combat engineer group. I spent most my time building, and renovating.
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They still work that way, you have Horizontal and vertical engineers and combat engineers. Back in 90 we still trained with combat engineers and learned how to use explosives, clear mines etc but I do not think they still train them in those disiplines.
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brian I enter the militart in feb 1970 and retired in jun 1992. the combat badge was kicked around the entire time I was in now I hear that they have the sapper tab but you must attend a traing course which is open to all mos,es. I donk think you will every see a badge and the reason I say that is that it would take away from the eod badge
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I think we are losing focusing why the awards are there for. It was not I did this badge. It was that these did the most and paid the price for it badge. It is the same case for the Air Medal. We fight but the infantry always pay the heaviest price for freedom. That is why they are there. And they didn't ask for a badge either. It was given to them for their sacrifice.
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MSG Donald Onley
LT. in Vietnam we lost 105 Combat Engineers that worked with the infantry from 1966 -1970 I guess they never seen combat they were all demolition men I do not know what the hell the (Combat Engineers do in todays Army but we dam sure knew what the hell we were doing.
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MSG Donald Onley They were used a lot during the big battles. Once things became a bit less kinetic they were not used as much. They were used many a times as a route clearing package. Some companies were stood up just for that reason.
In my Brigade we have two companies of Combat Engineers. They are on Bradleys and do gunnery just like the rest of the infantry companies. But their they also have all the other equipment also. They can be used as a Maneuver Force but that is rear. Most Brigades have three Infantry Battalions now. If you have to commit the two engineer companies to the fight then you are in a bad place.
In my Brigade we have two companies of Combat Engineers. They are on Bradleys and do gunnery just like the rest of the infantry companies. But their they also have all the other equipment also. They can be used as a Maneuver Force but that is rear. Most Brigades have three Infantry Battalions now. If you have to commit the two engineer companies to the fight then you are in a bad place.
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