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Individuals who dedicate their lives to any public service organization/department, will not feel satisfied until they have seen the good, the bad and the ugly parts of their perform duties. A firefighter will feel unfulfilled until he/she has put out a fire, a cop will feel the same, till he/she makes her first arrest. Many soldiers feel incomplete without having experienced first-hand what it is like to serve overseas. NTC, only does so much as mock scenarios go and it is great training, but a deployment fully immersed in nothing but soldiers getting in the field and getting their feet wet in all-hazard training. With all the hullabaloo, about slick sleeves and veterans, why not have a continuous cycle of personnel on overseas duty stations, minimum 6 mos. at a time for reservists and National Guard soldiers. With the campaigns winding down and the Army becoming smaller, these soldiers will have less and less opportunities to serve. I am aware that state and federal budgeting is a conflict and our country's trillion dollar debt crisis is definitely an impediment but if it were possible? Should it be done?
Posted 10 y ago
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I get the whole "I need a combat patch to feel worthy" argument, but is it really necessary? I think discussions like this one is the reason why some Army leaders have suggested removing the combat patch from Soldiers sleeves - as some have suggested it has created a sense of unworthiness for Soldiers who have never deployed and in some cases, has developed into an inferiority complex. If you joined the Army for the sake of deploying, in order to earn your patch, then you have volunteered for all the wrong reasons in my opinion. Besides, you are starting to see fewer and fewer Soldiers who are sporting a combat patch because many have either separated from the Army, or they have retired. Deployments are at a crawl and unless you belong to a special unit like SF, your chances of deploying are probably zero (at least under the current administration).
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Being in the military comes with certain rights and responsibilities concurrent to the job. As discusseed earlier promotions could be based on deployments with any mos.If an individual knowingly enlists in the military they need to realize it's not a democracy. Deploying is part of the job like it or not,
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For what? A combat patch? "experience"? There is no shame in sporting a "slick sleeve." Going to war shouldn't be the motivating factor for joining the Army. If it is, you are joining for all the wrong reasons. After serving two deployments to Iraq, I respect all Soldiers, whether they have deployed or not.
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I read your post, I understand your positions, but would have to align my answer more with the latter part of what you have written. What I mean is, due to budget restraints, I don't think every soldier should be required to deploy. I'm *very* pro-Defense, but I think that deploying every soldier is too expensive, plain and simple. I have arguments against it, but if I start elaborating I'll get tangled up in words, so really I'd leave it at that. It's dry and boring, but it's about money that I don't feel deploying every soldier would be in Our (the United States') most beneficial interest.
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Speaking for myself, my deployments were a high light of my career, I even volunteered to drive on a couple of convoys into Iraq. I trained as a Soldier for many years. I wanted to know if I had what it takes, not that I was looking for medals, I needed to know. That said should every Soldier be put into a combat zone? If there is no reason to put them in harms way, don't.
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Absolutely not. Why add on this requirement? Essentially we are "deployed" to serve a mission anywhere we go and we know that dangers exist here and abroad. This is not needed as a requirement for a military career. To the most ambitious it may be an element of their diverse skill set that could be a factor in upper level promotions but should not be a requirement.
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Only those personnel that are properly trained should go...i.e., those who are retired and CAN BE CALLED UP are no more qualified than a new two week old recruit. The situation dictates what and who should be deployed. That being said, if we have an all out War similar to the first and second and the country needs us, well then, all will go. But as a routine, no.
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SFC Raymond Thibault
Really, I know I am more ready to deploy than many Troops. Speak for your self.
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SFC (Join to see)
I have to agree with you SFC Raymond Thibault on your comment. I'm retired and deployed five times during my career and can deploy in a moments notice today. Good Soldiers retain a large amount of experience, knowledge and training and its not as perishable as MSG Burt would like to think in his mind. So lets look at this again, a full bird Colonel, Major, CSM, Senior NCO's and SSG and below if called up are no more qualified than a new two week old recruit! That's a soup sandwich statement!!!!!
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LTC Martin Metz
MSG Burt: Watch hitting on us "well aged" retired guys who could be recalled. As mentioned at Rangerup.com: "There's a reason why most professional athletes don't play past forty. There's a reason why most military people don't stay in past their forties. The same can be said for people in labor intensive careers. But every so often you see that old timer still hanging in there. They seem to be just as physically capable as the rest, too. What separates them from the rest is experience. They've seen and done it all. They have accumulated knowledge--sometimes by learning things the hard way. They're survivors in a world of high attrition. That's what makes them so scary. That's what makes them so deadly. An old man who is still hanging in there when everyone else has either quit or died is not someone you want to mess with. They don't quit. They've played a real life version of king of the hill and won. Beware the old man in a world where men often die young."
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MSG Don Burt
Come on guys, no disrespect said or intended....anyone who is fully retired 60+ years and who has been out for at least 10 years is not going to be able to hump up and down hills with a 85 lb pack on their back with a weapon and be a proficient person unless they do it on a regular basis. Your MOS and age will determine who goes and who back fills here in the states. That’s what I was talking about and not
about “all personnel”.
about “all personnel”.
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LTC Martin Metz
I retired at 60 in 2011 and could still do the rucksack with weapon requirement although I wouldn't particularly look forward to it. Some folks just aren't completely ready to hang it all up for a rocking chair.
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Absolutely! As long as their is a war/conflict anywhere the United States is involved with should be mandatory for at least one tour. When I was in the Army, I worked for an E8, who was the biggest chicken shit on earth. Ray Lafavor wore two ribbons on his uniform, A Good Conduct and National Defense. While other enlisted members and myself wore numerous decorations on our uniforms as a result of the Vietnam War, Several experienced severe combat injuries. From time to time we sat around and spoke of our experiences in Nam and how injuries were sustained. The back yellow strip chicken shit totally disliked these conversation; although somewhere is claimed "Isaw the enemy", that was his booster. He was and is a coward and somehow managed to stay out of Vietnam and any other war/conflict. I was a Staff Sergeant and found it very hard to respect him period, and rightfully told him so. He was a hated (using the word loosly) man. In the office hung a picture of General Patton, who he claimed as "My Hero", well if his hero was alive he would have dragged is ass into comabt and whipped him across the forhead with his hand whip. For his transfer out of the command, a farwell party was given, out of 136 people, only 13 had signed up to attend the party until the Command Sergeant ZNajor made it a place of duty for all NCO'. Reluctenly, we attened and left as soon as the Commander presented him and a Army Commendation Medal. Former Senio NCO's were present with MSM's for their service. I had a windbreaker especially made for hi, in the colors of red, blue and yellow. Blue for the oceans he never crossed, Red for the blood he never shed and yellow, the reason why. However, as I was about to present it to him,another Senior NCO grabbed it out of my hands, and I was never able to make the presentation. He was and is a pitiful individual. Had he been sent into combat or at least to the country at war he may have had a different outlook and understanding of what combat is and been proud of his accomplishments and received some respect from his peers instead of being hated and referred to as chicken shit.u
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