Posted on Apr 10, 2016
Should gender be a consideration for guard duty?
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Ok here is the situation: I am running a 11B ALC course and we got 5 soldiers attached to us from the finance BN and 2 of them are females. They have to rotate shifts for ammo guard. Since we are about to have the first female in the infantry is it wrong to have 1 female and 1 male do ammo guard.
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First off. I will start with this, as a female veteran I have nothing more to prove to my country on just how tough I think I am. That being said, I strongly feel women should NOT have a roll in all male combat MOS positions. Our body make-up is no where near the make-up of a males. Our bodies cannot physically handle the stress and I don't understand why so many women feel the urge or need to want to put themselves in a roll like that. What is a males first instinct when a situation arises, protect the female. I feel rape, sexual assult and possible suicides will increase over females thinking they have to be badass and all hardcore to show whomever they can do a male MOS. on the above topic, if women are going to be in those roles now, then yes, ammo guard should be switched out from male to female. What's the point in battle buddies of the same sex now? The military are pretty much saying, we don't care if you get raped as long as some little girl doesn't get her feelings hurt because she wants to be an 11B.
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absoluty..l no matter what everyone thinks should happen.. ... men and women alone are dangerous together only because of Human Nature.. Im not sure about women.. but even at 55 yrs of age I get aroused a few times a day. and if a female is close my.. she gets my attention.. I am a Man.. Now because I am married .. I chose to ignore my temptations.. but.. sooo many dont.
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Sgt Judy Leonard
That would s just irrational. There are basic human rules and if a man can't control his urges than they shouldn't be serving period. If anyone should not be in its men. If they can't be mature enough or professional enough than don't serve.
Doesn't matter where you work there will alway be men and women!
Doesn't matter where you work there will alway be men and women!
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CPT Michael Maag
Sgt Judy Leonard - so Sergeant Judy I see that you are Air Force. I don't know if you're actually truly a veteran or not because we see that you are un verified.... I did my basic training Air Force Lackland 1979 I did my first Technical School at Lackland being law enforcement. My very first day in Barracks, since we had women above men on the lower level.. I was approached by some sweet little thing from Texas who offered herself to me. Not knowing her, I didn't touch her, so yes my human Basic Instinct kicked in ... not so with a few other male members of my troupe .. I became a squad leader of course and did not create situations of fraternization with the females at this time, I had a mission I needed to accomplish and wanted no obstacles. I was offered pararescue but instead preferred to get my college started and at that time I transferred to an Army unit to fly helicopters. 13 years as a pilot 17 years total Duty. During the time I was a commander a soldier and of course the counselor. During this time I had both sides men and women complain about advances. It is human nature to have human urges it is your personal decision to act upon these. Later I married a woman who was raped by her Sergeant in the Army in Germany unbeknownst to me prior to marriage. Remember that our army has basically an eighth-grade education and the whole purpose of our Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines is to kill the enemy. Women or people who can't do the job get in the way, So really, we need to not have them there. But we have a volunteer army that we need to cater to all thought processes and be kind and gentle... that is one reason why I quit after 17 years.. Once again I have no idea what your job is but I can guarantee you that mine is to get the job done. Any of you who think just because somebody says 2 be a good man or woman that are common enlisted Soldier will listen, think again... we don't always get the cream of America's crop coming into the Armed Forces. That's why we have leaders and commanders because we have to keep people in line.., to get the job done...! I would love to connect to you and talk more to find out why and how you became a sergeant, if you are still in and what your job is
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Sgt Judy Leonard
I'm a vet did 8 years in the AF. I did the same job as all the men in my squadron. We need women in the service. There are things that women are better at and vice versa. If a man can't control himself (or woman) then that is criminal no matter if it's your comrad or the enemy.
It is also a fact that more men are raped in the military then women. So really doesn't matter your gender.
When you're in the heat of war you are not thinking about sex.
Like I've said in the past men should stay home and let the women warriors take care of business.
One last thing. There are already so many women fighting and in top secret positions. The public is fooled by the media who hide the women in the military.
I'm always in shock when I go to the VA when men ask me if I'm a vet and than are surprised when I say yes. WTH they didn't ever see women on their base. And I'm at the VA several times a week so I'm no stranger.
There is all kinds of women on Air Force bases. Most of my vet girls were Army so I know there are lots there and have always been. I know a lot of marine and navy g friends too.
Guard is domestic more reason for females there.
It is also a fact that more men are raped in the military then women. So really doesn't matter your gender.
When you're in the heat of war you are not thinking about sex.
Like I've said in the past men should stay home and let the women warriors take care of business.
One last thing. There are already so many women fighting and in top secret positions. The public is fooled by the media who hide the women in the military.
I'm always in shock when I go to the VA when men ask me if I'm a vet and than are surprised when I say yes. WTH they didn't ever see women on their base. And I'm at the VA several times a week so I'm no stranger.
There is all kinds of women on Air Force bases. Most of my vet girls were Army so I know there are lots there and have always been. I know a lot of marine and navy g friends too.
Guard is domestic more reason for females there.
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CPT Michael Maag
Sgt Judy.. Appreciate all you have done.. and was not aware of the male rape problem.. easy to wear blinders when not knowing.. http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2014/12/04/pentagon-rand-sexual-assault-reports/19883155/ but there will always be positions where fraternization should be reviewed for the best of the cause..
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Is it wrong to have 1 female and 1 male do ammo guard? Technically, no. However, allow me to relate a story that General Bashar (Iraqi Army) related to me about a particular incident when his troops enter the Saudi town of Khafji (during Desert Storm).
There was a US Transportation element in Khafji, and when a particular tractor-trailer (I believe a HET) was captured, Bashar related that his Iraqi soldiers found a US male and female Soldier "out of uniform" in a "compromising position." A "co-ed" guard mount alone for hours provides a temptation best avoided.
Add to the mix our imperatives from our SHARP training, and you can see how such a pairing becomes geometrically more risky for both the Soldiers and the Leadership.
You would be smart to avoid it.
There was a US Transportation element in Khafji, and when a particular tractor-trailer (I believe a HET) was captured, Bashar related that his Iraqi soldiers found a US male and female Soldier "out of uniform" in a "compromising position." A "co-ed" guard mount alone for hours provides a temptation best avoided.
Add to the mix our imperatives from our SHARP training, and you can see how such a pairing becomes geometrically more risky for both the Soldiers and the Leadership.
You would be smart to avoid it.
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Nope, people are going to have to get used to it. Is there a potential for something bad to happen? Of course. But you can't expect the worst out of male soldiers or protect the female ones either. Carry on with the mission and hope that your soldiers are professional ones.
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If they want equal rights then no, special treatments regardless what sex they are. Male or female
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No. They are both soldiers and are expected to act professionally. If that's not the case, then maybe they should replace some of the SHARP classes with a simple class on being respectful to others. But I guess if parents these days would teach their kids respect at an early age, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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In a training environment I don't see a likely issue. But 8 months into deployment and the raging hormones of 2 twenty year olds might lead to ample distraction
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SGT (Join to see)
Not to be overly presumptuous, but something tells me the petroleum MOSs aren't exactly running FTF missions outside the wire....or outside the wire without heavy escort. Or maybe shit ran differently then it did at shank, BAF, KAF, Apache or any other place I've been to in a combat zone
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SSG Robert Webster
SGT (Join to see) - Isn't your reply to SPC Tina Uitts a bit presumptuous? What, the 82nd Aviation didn't have any female crew chiefs or pilots during your tour of duty? That is very difficult for me to believe, that the chain of command in your unit would even allow for such.
Though from you statement at the start of this thread, I wonder if you had direct or indirect experience with the "raging hormone" issue. Or was there a lot of pandering going on during your overseas tours with the 82nd Aviation? That would not surprise me considering that it is the 82nd.
SGT (Join to see), since your in or near PA, say hi to David Yeager for me.
Though from you statement at the start of this thread, I wonder if you had direct or indirect experience with the "raging hormone" issue. Or was there a lot of pandering going on during your overseas tours with the 82nd Aviation? That would not surprise me considering that it is the 82nd.
SGT (Join to see), since your in or near PA, say hi to David Yeager for me.
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Not familiar with a David Yeager. And crew cheifs and pilots are a far cry from infantry combat. And as far as the hormone ordeal, we had one guy limited to our compound as he had an outburst after finding out his mechanic gf was screwing several other soldiers (our medic included) We had a squad leader lose rank and taken off mission status because he was nailing a captains wife who was also a captain. On top of that shank had a minor outbreak of the clap to contend with likely in no small part due to the guard towers being used as "love shacks" it might work in all female units but when you mix you have to contend with human nature
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Males and females have been pulling guard together for a long time. In support units, they don't care. When your name comes up you go on guard. I don't think I ever pulled guard with another female. I probably did but don't remember. Point being, it's nothing new.
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I would put the names in a "hat" and not be concerned about race, religion, political view or sex of the Soldier when making a duty roster.
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