Posted on Jan 27, 2024
CPO Nate S.
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A friend just shared that the service branch are expected to allow those without HS Diplomas or GEDs into military service. How wise is this?

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2024/01/26/navy-to-allow-those-without-high-school-diploma-or-ged-to-enlist/#

https://www.al.com/news/2022/06/army-drops-requirement-that-recruits-have-high-school-diplomas.html

So, we are welcoming people who are not committed to educating themselves so that our military is the most well educated and prepared to preserve, protect and defend this nation against all enemies?

In today's hyper-modern warfare space are the services branches willing to lower standards, just to meet recruiting goals, or should overall US policy change so that military service is part of the pride of national identity.

If some cannot read and comprehend well enough what they read to take the ASVAB in the first place what will this mean?

> US Army ASVAB - https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/asvab/asvab-and-army-jobs.html#

> US Marines ASVAB - https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine/requirements/general.html#

> US Navy ASVAB - https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/asvab-and-navy-mos-jobs.html#

> US Coast Guard ASVAB - https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/asvab-scores-for-coast-guard-jobs/

> US Air Force ASVAB - https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/asvab/asvab-and-air-force-jobs.html

> US Space Force ASVAB - https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/join-the-space-force#

While a number of the career paths in each of the service branches that are more technical will require higher ASVABS, what does this mean on other fronts such as fitness, wellness, and especially mental health?

Please share your opinions.
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SPC James Neidig
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I Joined The Marines in 1979 Without A HS Diploma,I Scored High Enough On The ASVAB To Be Able To Choose My MOS . I Got A GED While Serving .
If They Can Pass The ASVAB And Everything Else At MEPs They Should Be Allowed To Join.
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It's a lever that is pulled on and off when recruitment is desperate. I was originally trying to go for OCS, and was too old. So I enlisted, and I had a Masters Degree in hand. NOPE........... I had to provide my HS diploma (and a GED would have needed a waiver), and I had to provide transcripts and the actual diploma itself (quite a challenge for a 38 y/o).

It will swing back.
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An officer was behind me while I was checking out some books I got through inter library loan and he asked me if I understood what I was reading. I said sure. Next question was why are you not an officer and I replied I was told I was too old. The books I was checking out were on Particle Physics and Quantum Theory. Sometimes the Military has no idea of the abilities of its people.

Anyway the Military has a set of standards for when everything is OK. When it's not then they drop the standards. Some may claim it's wrong but it didn't bother them in WWI and WWII. And let's be honest you never know just how folks will turn out. There are always a few gems mixed in with the rocks. You just have to locate them.
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SSG Laurie Mullen
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SGT (Join to see) - When I was in Germany I was dating a SSG who had a PHD in American History, I think it was American History. I asked him why he didn't become an Officer and he said that he just didn't want to deal with the social and political BS.
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The most recent argument I've seen against this is the services will have enlistees that cannot properly express themselves because they don't know the difference between "there", "they're", and "their", or "to", "too", and "two." Really, I know college graduates that don't know the difference, either.

There are a number of challenges that keep someone from finishing high school or getting their GED. Those challenges are specific to each person, and it isn't necessarily about intelligence or will. Just because I graduated doesn't mean everyone can.

But there has to be an assumed baseline. A recruit has to arrive with a toolset that leadership can believe equips him or her with basic intelligence to get through AIT. The high school diploma or GED equivalent has always been that metric.

People can argue that their grandfather joined the Corps without a high school education and did fine. That might be true, but WWII was a different war. Things are different now than in the agrarian environment they might have grown up in. Hell, I could fly a P51 in 1942, I couldn't fly an F35 today.

If a recruit joins without that diploma, they'll be a one term soldier. Four and out. All of the branches are pushing college, so they need to push high school or the GED where appropriate.
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If they don't have a HS diploma or GED, they have to get a 50 on the ASVAB. The Navy apparently did this in 2000 - and federal law allows it.

Also doesn't mean they can get just any job either - they still would have to meet the qualifications for specific ratings.

I don't know how true this is but I've heard if you have a HS diploma or GED, you only have to score a 10 on ASVAB...but that's just what's going on social media sites.

I don't see the issue. Some people for whatever reason just had to drop out of high school or couldn't get a GED. Perhaps that should be part of their first term is getting a GED...idk.
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Jason Bowen
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It's precedent, not president. By the way, I dropped out because my life turned to shit in the ninth grade and I wasn't being challenged where I was going to school. So, had to get off my ass and go to work.
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PFC Clifford Kelley
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I only went thru the 9th grade due to my father getting injured and needing to support the family. So I had to get a GED. I scored way higher than many a college graduates. As my father used to say education doesn't always equal intelligence! I know a guy who is a genius and has zero common sense!
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PO2 Rick Fox
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Can anyone explain what a dangerous president is other than the one now ? It appears someone didn't get their HS diploma nor a GED, read the poll. So my two cents worth here is, why does it even matter anymore ? From what I read daily, at least 80% of people who reply on social media platforms and possibly a higher percentage, use incorrect spelling and applications of common words and the entire military is no exception, tenured NCOs and commissioned alike. I graduated HS in 1976 and requirements were much different .
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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I have an idea. The DoD can develop a 2 month academic program that would result in a GED. This program would screen out those who lack the ability to grasp basic concepts and those who have a tendency to give up easily. It could also provide the required basics (Math, Language, etc.,) to build on in further courses. If the applicant is already physically and mentally qualified they can enlist with an open contract to be placed in the MOS that is most needed.
Place defined incentives on continued education and build a better Service Member.
I realize many will see this as a social program, but if we are to meet the needed goals for recruitment we may need to figure out a way to grow our own.
And I just have to be an A hole.....
Precedent, not president.
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SrA Cecelia Eareckson
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Depends on the branch.
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SPC Mitch Saret
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I don't think diplomas have anything do with what kind of "president" we will have. What kind of PRECEDENT it sets is another story.
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