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I am currently processing to join the army reserves. I intend to go active duty after I finish college. However, I am caught between 35f and 35m. While my skillset points to 35f, I don't want to be confined to an FOB on deployment. Any 35fs out there that can speak to field opportunities in that MOS? I was originally looking at combat arms, but those are unavailable in the reserves and MI serves my long term goals better. Plus from what I have been able to find out, both are important and interesting jobs and I'd be proud to be in MI.
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35F-Enlisted: Intelligence Analyst
35M: Human Intelligence Collector
Army Reserve Elements
35F-Enlisted: Intelligence Analyst 35M: Human Intelligence Collector Army Reserve Elements
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You've already got a few answers, with a lot of info. So I'll try not to cover what has been covered. I was a 35M for about 10 years (now retired). During that 10 years, I spent about 5 in a 35F job, because they were short Foxes. There are always exceptions, based in the individual, the unit, and the missing, but GENERALLY speaking 35Ms will get out and about more than 35Fs. However, 35Ms for the most part only exist in MI units, whereas 35Fs exist in pretty much all units in the Army. (35Ms are often attached out to combat arms units for certain missions or even full deployments, which enables them to get out and about, but they are assigned to MI units.). 35Ms generally are 65/35 brains/brawn ratio - gotta be smart, able to think on your feet, able to see the big picture, and able to see where the wholes in the big picture are so you can go fill them. Also have to be able to keep up with the combat arms folks if you do get to go out on patrol. 35Fs are more like 80/20 or 85/15 brains/brawn - gotta be able to not only see the big picture and identify the holes, but also figure out what PROBABLY goes in the holes, as well as how to conclusively fill the gaps beyond conjecture. Also need to maintain basic Soldier fitness. 35M is more social and psychological, 35F is more cerebral.
Of course, you could sign up for 35 M and end up doing the 35F job anyway, like I did - or sign up for 35F and be doing HUMINT analysis (which is technically a 35M job, even though neither the Foxes or the Mike's usually want to admit it).
I hope that helps compare and contrast the two a little bit better for you, so you can make a (little bit more) informed decision.
*Standard caveats apply - this is only my opinion, not valid in all states, certain restrictions apply, past performance is no guarantee of future growth, void where prohibited, if you experience any of these side effects consult your doctor, etc.
Of course, you could sign up for 35 M and end up doing the 35F job anyway, like I did - or sign up for 35F and be doing HUMINT analysis (which is technically a 35M job, even though neither the Foxes or the Mike's usually want to admit it).
I hope that helps compare and contrast the two a little bit better for you, so you can make a (little bit more) informed decision.
*Standard caveats apply - this is only my opinion, not valid in all states, certain restrictions apply, past performance is no guarantee of future growth, void where prohibited, if you experience any of these side effects consult your doctor, etc.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
*mission, not missing
*holes, not wholes
*Mike's (plural) not Mike's (possessive)
I know how to spell, honest!
*holes, not wholes
*Mike's (plural) not Mike's (possessive)
I know how to spell, honest!
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SPC Ted Ronayne
Thanks for the insight! I've heard that Intel can be doing different jobs depending on the situation.
If I go 35f I'm going to certainly stay on top of my rifle qual and pt. Is it easier to find field opportunities if I keep on top of my body/rifle skills? I'm an athletic guy and shoot for recreation so I don't need any real motivation. I'm just wondering if it helps.
If I go 35f I'm going to certainly stay on top of my rifle qual and pt. Is it easier to find field opportunities if I keep on top of my body/rifle skills? I'm an athletic guy and shoot for recreation so I don't need any real motivation. I'm just wondering if it helps.
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First off, kudos to you for deciding to serve your country. Now I see that you have gotten bombarded with several answers more so, it seems answers that focus more on changing your mind due to personal experience. That is fine, however, to address your question it is all a matter of who you are as a person. While all of the intelligence disciplines are important and some do carry a heavy weight towards the future there will always be humans around to talk with and gain information from. In order to make that choice I would advise that you take some serious time to weigh and consider your own personality. First, how do you feel about interacting with new people. If you have trouble making friends or talking with strangers then 35M could be a bad choice. Although, I have met a few introverted 35M's they are the exception, not the rule. Second, the 35M field attracts those with dominant personalities, if you struggle in dealing with those kinds of individuals then 35M might not be a great fit. Third, 35M is a field that requires a lot of emotional stability, if you struggle controlling your own emotions when people push your buttons then you might struggle with the school which will challenge your ability to keep your wits about you while maintaining focus on the task at hand. While this list could go on about the negatives and personality quirks that help with career fit, think about it this way, could you do the job your recruiter is doing and perform well?
While much of what I have covered is negative in nature from what you are saying about your skill set points to 35F, that is not a bad skill set to have in the 35M field. It is a blessing especially if your mind works quickly in analyzing facts and data. That will help leaps and bounds in the planning and preparation that goes hand in hand with the job. Additionally the skill set taught in that course is foundationally exceptional for many civilian jobs which can be easily translated into career opportunities if you decide to stay reserves and look for a steady job. However, if you think you might transition to active duty then advancement might be a challenge, when I left the service active duty was crowded and promotions were slower moving.
I hope this helps to answer your question to a reasonable degree. Good luck with making your prospective career choice.
While much of what I have covered is negative in nature from what you are saying about your skill set points to 35F, that is not a bad skill set to have in the 35M field. It is a blessing especially if your mind works quickly in analyzing facts and data. That will help leaps and bounds in the planning and preparation that goes hand in hand with the job. Additionally the skill set taught in that course is foundationally exceptional for many civilian jobs which can be easily translated into career opportunities if you decide to stay reserves and look for a steady job. However, if you think you might transition to active duty then advancement might be a challenge, when I left the service active duty was crowded and promotions were slower moving.
I hope this helps to answer your question to a reasonable degree. Good luck with making your prospective career choice.
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SPC Ted Ronayne
Thanks for the advice! That gives me alot of perspective to consider. I'm a little more on the introverted side and have a low tolerance for button pushing so 35m might not be my best fit.
I'm currently looking at the reserves but intend to go active duty after I finish college, perhaps if intelligence is flooded and I'm outpaced then I'll look to go officer, but I'm a competitive guy so I'll take that as it comes.
Thanks for your reply once again!
I'm currently looking at the reserves but intend to go active duty after I finish college, perhaps if intelligence is flooded and I'm outpaced then I'll look to go officer, but I'm a competitive guy so I'll take that as it comes.
Thanks for your reply once again!
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SPC Ted Ronayne
I will still consider it though, like I said, I'm on the introverted side, but I actually prefer talking to strangers because I learn something new everytime. I'll take the DLAB if I can, that'll play into my consideration.
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You could be fine in that regard, I was introverted when I went to the school years ago and I was able perform very well. It's all just a matter of what you can endure and what you want. Many of the instructors there will give you the tools you need to succeed if you want to. Good luck on making the best choice for you. Also if you have the option, officer might be best, their promotions are ran on a different system and they do have concentrations that relate to all of the fields.
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So you are deciding between either being an analyst (35F) or a collector (35M). Depending how that fits with your personality, skill-set, and how you see yourself contributing to the intelligence community. HUMINTers do a lot of engagements and interacting, as it’s in the name human intelligence. 35F is a lot of the behind the scenes, IE: pattern analysis, reporting writing, slide building, working with maps,
I’ll put it this way: 35M’s typically have better opportunities to go to schools, albeit this will be limited for you as a reservist. 35M’s right now go to DLI after AIT, so you’ll be fluent in a language. Very useful and valuable. Also, you might be able to go to SOC, DSDC, etc. Schools for 35F are very limited.
I’ll put it this way: 35M’s typically have better opportunities to go to schools, albeit this will be limited for you as a reservist. 35M’s right now go to DLI after AIT, so you’ll be fluent in a language. Very useful and valuable. Also, you might be able to go to SOC, DSDC, etc. Schools for 35F are very limited.
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35F will give you a great foundation when it comes to becoming a member of the intelligence community. You can always go 35M later if it benefits you but F is a better place to start.
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SPC Ted Ronayne
You're right, I've spoken to a few people who are 35fs and I'm definitely going that route
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If i could go back in time i would enlist as a F then go 35L. Its better to be a L than a M.
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I came from Combat Arms and now I’m a 35M. I have also spent time in the reserves. I’ll be real with you. Getting any schooling in the reserves is going to be very difficult. I would encourage you to go Active and pursue one of these options. Both are great. But as a 35M, you’re job is to talk to people. So weather that is then coming to you or you going to them, you are going to have to have some already developed interpersonal skills.
The more schooling you get as a 35M, the more opportunity you have to leave the FOB and do cool stuff. Most 35Ms who do not have advanced schooling are not permitted to do their job out side due to its sensitive nature, and they end up being miss used doing guard duty, but it also depends on the unit. Most conventuel units would not let their 35Ms do anything off the FOB, nor any of their other intel disciplines. But special operations is different. However, that will require you to be Airborne. So if you decide to go active, get an Airborne contract or an Option 40 contract.
The more schooling you get as a 35M, the more opportunity you have to leave the FOB and do cool stuff. Most 35Ms who do not have advanced schooling are not permitted to do their job out side due to its sensitive nature, and they end up being miss used doing guard duty, but it also depends on the unit. Most conventuel units would not let their 35Ms do anything off the FOB, nor any of their other intel disciplines. But special operations is different. However, that will require you to be Airborne. So if you decide to go active, get an Airborne contract or an Option 40 contract.
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SPC Ted Ronayne
I'll look to get airborne then, if I can't get it in my contract I'm fine with waiting. Excuse me if I'm wrong but isn't option 40 to go 11x in the 75th?
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Neither. If you get into the MI world, 35N. Is the way to go. Too many reasons to list them all. But, I’ll knock out a few of the big ones. First, SIGINT and cyber is the future, and it’s already here. It’s why CYBERCOM is being elevated to its own unified combatant command. (ie:CENTCOM, SOCOM, etc). Second, of all your intel shops, the Novembers are at top of the food chain. If you wash out of 35N school (at Goodfellow AFB) you’ll get reclassed to another 35 series and sent to Huachuca. But if you wash out of any of those, you’ll probably get reclassed to needs of the Army. Make sense? As for DLI. I’m not sure how it works in the reserves. But for active big Army, if you don’t get it in your enlistment contract, DLI is like any other school. It’s a DLAB and 4187 away. Your original question didn’t ask about a language, so I won’t go in depth about Monterey.
Also, just some good NCO advice...you’re not even in..the..Army..yet. You have no idea if you want to be deployed, let alone stuck on the FOB. Get through basic training/AIT/unit time first before deciding just how much time outside the wire you’re ready for. That said, as a fox, for the most part, tactical options are limited. As a 35F, get ready for a lot of data compilation and power points. Mikes have a few more options, but to be honest, the most tactical work that a lot of 35m’s have done is gate guard or tower duty. There are definitely some Zero dark thirty types out there, but they are very few and far between.
35N has excellent tactical opportunities for all ranks in both conventional and special operations worlds. Don’t get me wrong, there are November’s that never see the light of day because they’re plugged in to a computer 28 hours a day. But on the other hand, as a November, if you prove you have the ability, you’ll have more opportunities to more insane things than you can currently imagine. And back to DLI for a moment, if you’re a November with a language, well the sky is the limit.
In my many years in the Army, I had a lot of 35 series soldiers ask, “hey SGT, I messed up, and should have picked N instead of (usually M, F, G). Can I reclass?” And after I’d tell them to go talk to their first line supervisor to get the ball rolling, I’d always ask my soldiers how many wished they had picked a different MOS when they joined. Honestly, I never had a soldier say they did. Not because I was the greatest NCO. It’s because it’s genuinely a ridiculously challenging and interesting job. Soldiers across the Army, even in MI, beg to reclass to 35N. 35N’s don’t ask to reclass out.
I got long winded. To nutshell, 35N is a superior choice to F and M, especially if one of your main considerations is tactical job opportunities.
Also, just some good NCO advice...you’re not even in..the..Army..yet. You have no idea if you want to be deployed, let alone stuck on the FOB. Get through basic training/AIT/unit time first before deciding just how much time outside the wire you’re ready for. That said, as a fox, for the most part, tactical options are limited. As a 35F, get ready for a lot of data compilation and power points. Mikes have a few more options, but to be honest, the most tactical work that a lot of 35m’s have done is gate guard or tower duty. There are definitely some Zero dark thirty types out there, but they are very few and far between.
35N has excellent tactical opportunities for all ranks in both conventional and special operations worlds. Don’t get me wrong, there are November’s that never see the light of day because they’re plugged in to a computer 28 hours a day. But on the other hand, as a November, if you prove you have the ability, you’ll have more opportunities to more insane things than you can currently imagine. And back to DLI for a moment, if you’re a November with a language, well the sky is the limit.
In my many years in the Army, I had a lot of 35 series soldiers ask, “hey SGT, I messed up, and should have picked N instead of (usually M, F, G). Can I reclass?” And after I’d tell them to go talk to their first line supervisor to get the ball rolling, I’d always ask my soldiers how many wished they had picked a different MOS when they joined. Honestly, I never had a soldier say they did. Not because I was the greatest NCO. It’s because it’s genuinely a ridiculously challenging and interesting job. Soldiers across the Army, even in MI, beg to reclass to 35N. 35N’s don’t ask to reclass out.
I got long winded. To nutshell, 35N is a superior choice to F and M, especially if one of your main considerations is tactical job opportunities.
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SPC Ted Ronayne
If I might step in, I'm fine with debate so long as it brings out more information for me to base my decision off of. But if this turns into a pissing match about who's a better NCO or who's piece is bigger and whatnot, I'd kindly ask that the debate get moved to the DM's.
I enjoy arguing myself, but I'm possibly going to sign up in 3 weeks assuming I can address my other concerns about joining the reserves as a full time college student. So I'd prefer more information and less fluff, thanks.
I enjoy arguing myself, but I'm possibly going to sign up in 3 weeks assuming I can address my other concerns about joining the reserves as a full time college student. So I'd prefer more information and less fluff, thanks.
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Ted, I’ll leave it at this. In the MI world, you’ll run into a lot of people who are the best/brightest wherever they’re from. Unfortunately, this little back and forth (first with the Private, then Big Sergeant) is a snap shot of how cut throat the Army can get. But in a room full of peacocks, one has to have the biggest set of feathers, right? A lot of people chirp up, but have little substance. (For example, the statement to the effect of “ i had an ait buddy in the guard that said he left the wire a lot on his deployment”). Lots of opinions, none of which are verifiable by anything. Now, I might have come of a tad harsh, but I haven’t really said much that’s unverifiable. Also note, even before your request, they got suspiciously unresponsive when hit with some facts and logic in an unflattering way.
That’s the easiest way to describe the MI world. 35F is entry level. It’s not hard to get there, stay there, or advance there. Other MOS’s, like M or G or a little more mid tier. A little harder, a little more in depth. Top of the food chain in the intel world is 35N (and it’s sibling 35P). A very small (maybe 1750-2000 Novembers in the Army), incredibly challenging MI MOS. You’ll have plenty of opportunities for tactical assignments above and beyond route clearance. If you get tired of your tactical unit? Pcs and go to an NSA site like mead or menwith and have your mind completely blown.
It’s certainly not for everyone. If you want to be the smart kid from your town that did the Army thing, go be a Fox. If you want to be surrounded by the smartest people from around the world and challenge yourself, get into SIGINT and cyber. You’ll be amazed what’s out there.
Per Ted’s request, any direct messages, definitely don’t hesitate.
That’s the easiest way to describe the MI world. 35F is entry level. It’s not hard to get there, stay there, or advance there. Other MOS’s, like M or G or a little more mid tier. A little harder, a little more in depth. Top of the food chain in the intel world is 35N (and it’s sibling 35P). A very small (maybe 1750-2000 Novembers in the Army), incredibly challenging MI MOS. You’ll have plenty of opportunities for tactical assignments above and beyond route clearance. If you get tired of your tactical unit? Pcs and go to an NSA site like mead or menwith and have your mind completely blown.
It’s certainly not for everyone. If you want to be the smart kid from your town that did the Army thing, go be a Fox. If you want to be surrounded by the smartest people from around the world and challenge yourself, get into SIGINT and cyber. You’ll be amazed what’s out there.
Per Ted’s request, any direct messages, definitely don’t hesitate.
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SPC Ted Ronayne
Thanks for the pointers once again, like I said I love arguments, but being on Facebook I've seen healthy debate turn into character attacks which does me no good. Having the largest feathers among peacocks is important and I certainly fit into that Category if you've ever seen my political discussions on Facebook, I'd just like to keep the conversation as relevant to the question as possible.
I'll take your outlook on 35n seriously, my asvab scores qualify me for all Intel MOSs (assuming they dont require prior service like 35Limas) I've gotten a trend of answers that point me in the direction of no matter what I do, being motivated and good at my job will enable me more opportunities than being the grumbling guy complaining and not being motivated.
As I'm new to the army I think I will go all source to get a taste of HUMINT and SIGINT in order to shape my career path. In a sense I'd rather be a motivated Multitool that advances due to motivation, than be a highly qualified specialist that shuts himself out due to dislike of his job.
I'll take your outlook on 35n seriously, my asvab scores qualify me for all Intel MOSs (assuming they dont require prior service like 35Limas) I've gotten a trend of answers that point me in the direction of no matter what I do, being motivated and good at my job will enable me more opportunities than being the grumbling guy complaining and not being motivated.
As I'm new to the army I think I will go all source to get a taste of HUMINT and SIGINT in order to shape my career path. In a sense I'd rather be a motivated Multitool that advances due to motivation, than be a highly qualified specialist that shuts himself out due to dislike of his job.
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Ted to answer part of your question about special schools or units when you go through your schooling(AIT) for your MOS they will take volunteers for Rangers and Airborne. Being in the Intel field it’s not a huge turn out so if you are serious about it and have the physical capabilities you shouldn’t have a tough time getting a chance to attend either one. But that was just my experience. If you are able to make it through airborne you will be assigned to an airborne unit and that is the same if you were to go rangers. Other special schools will have to be done once you get to your unit and you get the chance and approval. Hopefully that helped you out a little.
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As stated in the other comment, its going to depend on what you are wanting to do. If you were wanting combat arms, 35M will give you a better chance of being boots on ground. Though not specifically trained for it, 35M must function as their own analysts to one degree or another. Also, it will be much harder to transfer INTO the 35M MOS than into 35F if you decide you do not like one or the other. If you are joining with the reserves, there will be a good chance that you will NOT go to DLI directly after AIT if you choose the 35M option, however, you WILL attend at some point, as the 35M MOS is now technically language dependent. [Unless you already know a language that is available to DLPT] If you havn't taken the ASVAB and DLAB yet, that should be your first step.
Edit: Additionally, talk to your reserve recruiter and ask them if they can put you in contact with somebody in the MI section of the unit you would be joining, to see if they could give you some information on the typical "routine" they have. They won't be able to give you specifics, but they should be able to tell you about past drills, deployment opportunities, what schools are available to your unit, what they use as qualifiers for those schools, and other important things as long as it is of a unclassified nature.
Edit: Additionally, talk to your reserve recruiter and ask them if they can put you in contact with somebody in the MI section of the unit you would be joining, to see if they could give you some information on the typical "routine" they have. They won't be able to give you specifics, but they should be able to tell you about past drills, deployment opportunities, what schools are available to your unit, what they use as qualifiers for those schools, and other important things as long as it is of a unclassified nature.
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Private, unfortunately, that’s not correct. If it were, in order to “pass” the DLAB, all you’d have to do is gain proficiency in Esperanto and then go slay the DLAB with like a 142. But in that hypothetical situation, the person would realize that gaming the DLAB and learning a cat IV are two separate things.
I won’t retype, please see below:
https://dlabprep.com/how-is-the-dlab-test-organized/
Ted, the private with very little Army experience, none of which appears to be operational, is giving you some questionable, if not wrong, information.
I graduated the school he’s currently at, deployed, did the whole Army experience, retired. I hate seeing potential new soldiers get bad information, especially about MI. Recruiters often don’t know about MI because it’s a world that not too many of them come from. MI will always be near and dear to my heart. But I’d hate to see a potential new soldier get off to the wrong start because of the wrong information.
I won’t retype, please see below:
https://dlabprep.com/how-is-the-dlab-test-organized/
Ted, the private with very little Army experience, none of which appears to be operational, is giving you some questionable, if not wrong, information.
I graduated the school he’s currently at, deployed, did the whole Army experience, retired. I hate seeing potential new soldiers get bad information, especially about MI. Recruiters often don’t know about MI because it’s a world that not too many of them come from. MI will always be near and dear to my heart. But I’d hate to see a potential new soldier get off to the wrong start because of the wrong information.
How is the DLAB Test Organized - DLAB Prep
Find out the DLAB test organization, and what is to be expected if you were to take the DLAB exam. Even see how the test questions are laid out right here.
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You’re right about the DLAB, anonymous retired SGT (unverified). I was wrong. Also, you’re right about my not having any operational experience. I DO however have a lot of experience with the initial process of the 35M schooling, the options available to you when coming to and leaving from that schooling, and the CURRENT state of the schooling availabilities, strength/understrength of the MOS, and much of the general options you have as a Reservist or Guardsmen. Though not firsthand, we’ve been given a lot of information about what kind of opportunities are immediately available to us, will be later be available, what COULD be available l, and what will NOT be available. I understand that this is not the most ideal source, but I’m passing along information that I have received from people I trust. If you take issue with that, or disagree with anything that I’ve said, point it out and explain why, so that both he and I understand what you’re saying, instead of vaguely discrediting me.
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Ted, I’m sorry this devolved on a question you asked. But hey, Privates need information, too. Please bear with the long response. Anonymous retired SGT (unverified). Sarcasm, I dig it. But yes, exactly. I did my time. I’m not on RP to network. I don’t want people to know my name, what I look like, where I currently work, go to school, where I live, and even the building I live in. OPSEC. Get some. If you doubt the veracity of my military background, feel free to read through anything I’ve posted on RP. Agree or disagree with it, it’s hard to argue with my background or knowledge. (Sidebar, have you been to compagno’s yet? The sandwiches are big, the desserts are bigger)
Moving along, I know I’m right about the DLAB and your experience. I’m glad you agree. About all the other stuff you mentioned, initial 35M training, CURRENT schooling, etc. I didn’t take issue with it, I didn’t mention it, and I’m not sure why you bring it up now. While it’s possible you’re trying to give me a heads up again (kinda like when out of the blue, you informed me that linguists had to go to DLI), I think it’s more plausible that you didn’t particularly like being contradicted.
Ted seems like a sharp young man, so after getting different advice, he probably went back and read what those advisors posted previously to other questions. Being an anonymous unverified retired analyst myself, I know that’s what I did. And if I thought you were giving Ted some questionable/wrong information, well let’s just say that you’ve given other people hands down, wrong information. Where, you ask? 19 days ago, you told someone that they get associates degrees upon completion of 35m ait and DLI. Unless things have radically changed, I think you’re referring to the 21 credits that Cochise college offers towards an associates in Intelligennce Operations Studies. And also for DLI, I think you’re referring to the below program. You aren’t just handed AA degrees your way out, even though that’s what you told a potential future soldier named Isaiah J, just19 days ago. That’s just one example. I’m not going to summarize them all. (See links below that detail the AA programs for Cochise college for MI and DLI).
I never made it a habit of arguing with privates, and I’m certainly not going to start now. If you thought I was trying to vaguely discredit you, I wasn’t. I was trying to clearly explain to a potential future soldier that a very inexperienced junior IET soldier might not have the best information. Also, an inexperienced junior IET soldier might not have the operational experience to base well informed opinions on when it comes to questions about Army opportunities and experience above and beyond IET. It doesn’t make you a bad person or a bad junior enlisted soldier. It just makes you inexperienced.
I don’t pull punches, and I’m not vague. If I decide to discredit you, you’ll know. But even though I’m retired, I’m still an NCO, and I wouldn’t do that to a private. But be smart, and don’t discredit yourself. One of the best ways to do that is to make sure if you tell give someone some information, it better be true. And if it’s not true, and someone comes along and corrects you, certainly don’t get salty about it. And definitely not sarcastic. That gets you nowhere.
Also, I’d recommend you study more. The dlpt is a killer. Best advice I can give.
https://www.cochise.edu/cfiles/files/catalog/web/2015-2016%20Catalog/intelligence-operations-studies---associate-of-applied-science-major-code---iost.htm
http://www.dliflc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/AADegree_Degree_Plan_MAY2015.pdf
Moving along, I know I’m right about the DLAB and your experience. I’m glad you agree. About all the other stuff you mentioned, initial 35M training, CURRENT schooling, etc. I didn’t take issue with it, I didn’t mention it, and I’m not sure why you bring it up now. While it’s possible you’re trying to give me a heads up again (kinda like when out of the blue, you informed me that linguists had to go to DLI), I think it’s more plausible that you didn’t particularly like being contradicted.
Ted seems like a sharp young man, so after getting different advice, he probably went back and read what those advisors posted previously to other questions. Being an anonymous unverified retired analyst myself, I know that’s what I did. And if I thought you were giving Ted some questionable/wrong information, well let’s just say that you’ve given other people hands down, wrong information. Where, you ask? 19 days ago, you told someone that they get associates degrees upon completion of 35m ait and DLI. Unless things have radically changed, I think you’re referring to the 21 credits that Cochise college offers towards an associates in Intelligennce Operations Studies. And also for DLI, I think you’re referring to the below program. You aren’t just handed AA degrees your way out, even though that’s what you told a potential future soldier named Isaiah J, just19 days ago. That’s just one example. I’m not going to summarize them all. (See links below that detail the AA programs for Cochise college for MI and DLI).
I never made it a habit of arguing with privates, and I’m certainly not going to start now. If you thought I was trying to vaguely discredit you, I wasn’t. I was trying to clearly explain to a potential future soldier that a very inexperienced junior IET soldier might not have the best information. Also, an inexperienced junior IET soldier might not have the operational experience to base well informed opinions on when it comes to questions about Army opportunities and experience above and beyond IET. It doesn’t make you a bad person or a bad junior enlisted soldier. It just makes you inexperienced.
I don’t pull punches, and I’m not vague. If I decide to discredit you, you’ll know. But even though I’m retired, I’m still an NCO, and I wouldn’t do that to a private. But be smart, and don’t discredit yourself. One of the best ways to do that is to make sure if you tell give someone some information, it better be true. And if it’s not true, and someone comes along and corrects you, certainly don’t get salty about it. And definitely not sarcastic. That gets you nowhere.
Also, I’d recommend you study more. The dlpt is a killer. Best advice I can give.
https://www.cochise.edu/cfiles/files/catalog/web/2015-2016%20Catalog/intelligence-operations-studies---associate-of-applied-science-major-code---iost.htm
http://www.dliflc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/AADegree_Degree_Plan_MAY2015.pdf
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SPC Ted Ronayne
Don't worry about the argument/discussion blowing up, debate leads to answers so I'm fine with it. I've done alot of digging into the jobs but unfortunately I am fairly reliant on forums, and the "ask a soldier" forums that had alot of information were shut down last week. I took it for granted and now it's gone, but I'm glad rally point is here for this kind of stuff.
From what I've read of MI, I'm definitely going to go that route, I'm strongly considering HUMINT as well.
I'm just largely concerned about being glued to a desk. I'm fine with working a desk job, but I enjoy working with my hands outdoors and I would want to see some direct action. I'm not expecting to be a patrol soldier, merely having the ability/option to participate in operations.
From what I've read of MI, I'm definitely going to go that route, I'm strongly considering HUMINT as well.
I'm just largely concerned about being glued to a desk. I'm fine with working a desk job, but I enjoy working with my hands outdoors and I would want to see some direct action. I'm not expecting to be a patrol soldier, merely having the ability/option to participate in operations.
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