Posted on Oct 10, 2018
Should instead of going for gimmicks we should just train till we don't do dumb things?
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It seems like the Army and really all the military does alot of stuff to make soldiers safe instead of simply training them to use their 'tools' correctly. I mean not flagging others, Target ID, covering fires, movement maneuvers etc etc.
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Safety is good and should be observed as point 1. But sometimes
" Feces Occur " !
" Feces Occur " !
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
I agree, but I remember having to put a "Red Dot" in the middle of my watch "So I would remember to Be Safe." After a while I simply did not see the keypunched hole-sized piece of red duct tape.
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PO2 Nick Burke
Yes but properly trained and motivated personnel will greatly reduce those oh feces! Moments.
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Safety is great as long as it doesn't interfere with accomplishing the mission
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
Agree - there's a difference between gambling and taking a risk.
Gambling you're playing the odds.
Assessing the risk is stacking the odds in your favor.
Gambling you're playing the odds.
Assessing the risk is stacking the odds in your favor.
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SPC Gary Welch
SFC Ralph E Kelley I saw it lots of times we were at NTC and we dismounts had to set up an ambush about 8 to 10 miles away rounded up to 12 with snooping and pooping we had to move quick so we left all our gear except our combat load and weapons we were moving at night the ambush was at dawn we got there early so we had it was about 25 degrees with the wind chill luckily some of had brought some poncho liners we weighed the risk and we paid for it but ambush was successful and nobody died
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SPC Gary Welch - That's what be means to assess the situation.
Take what you need for success not the kitchen sink (unless you need one).
Take what you need for success not the kitchen sink (unless you need one).
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That is the Marine Corps way. It has worked well for us and for a long time too.
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I spent 20 years in almost every kind of unit imaginable and I can say one thing for sure. Just when you think it’s safe someone will do something stupid or dumb.......If you don’t believe me ask any NCO who has had to run a range or pulled staff duty.......it never ceased to amaze me. I actually walked in on a Soldier and his roommate getting ready to repel down the barracks with a roll of 550 cord and a master lock.....Good luck trying to train the stupid out of that.
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SSG Timothy Stevenson
What was even better was telling one to look at his belt the next morning and finding his lock.SFC Ralph E Kelley
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As far as weapon safety goes, I was always taught muzzle awareness. Being always be aware of where your muzzle is pointing, loaded weapon or not. We were also taught that our job as major league door kickers, your muzzle WILL flag your buddy. Or his foot. It happens. Our job is to use other safeties we have been taught like finger outside the trigger guard and weapon on safe. I have rehearsed room/building clearing thousands of times. And done it for real hundreds of times. I still have all my toes and my buddies do too. We also had hot weapons on our base all the time, no clearing barrels for us.
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