Posted on Sep 1, 2023
SGM William Everroad
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This topic popped up recently in the CSM Facebook group (credit: CSM Sloan).

The idea is that at a certain point in an NCO's career (say E6), they should be eligible for commissioning (with a degree) to 2LT. The military could retain direct commissioning, but eliminate NCO progression past that point and bring back the technical ranks. The example given in discussion was to follow concepts of law enforcement rank progression.

I found that it was an interesting discussion and see the pros and cons. Obviously SEAs would be eliminated as well as PSGs and 1SGs. This would put the brunt of running small units back on the officer.
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SGT Skip Tribby
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I can offer a number of accounts that I know of personally where an educated person doesn't always turn out to be the best leader. There is book smart and there is experience smart. I'd take experience over book smart anytime.
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Sgt Jeremy Winkles
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The fact that a degree is all you need to be eligible to be an officer is disgraceful and the epitome of what’s wrong with military. So many officers shouldn’t be in charge of wiping their own asses and well and SSNCO’s that should be running entire battalions. Stop qualifying people based on their buying into the “American Dream” of being in debt that will never be repaid. Textbook discrimination at its best. Until a Second Lt can figure out a fucking compass and topographical map, or that off doesn’t stand for officer, maybe we should stop putting shiny objects on dumbasses shoulders. But then we’d bitching up our military and that wouldn’t serve the government objective
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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If all you needed was a degree to commission then more SNCOS would do it and we would have better officers.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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This type study, along with many others has been reviewed, and analyzed over the decades, generally vetted through the SGM Academy along with panels assembled by the Commandant and or the Battalion Commander At the direction of and for the SMA. Of course something this huge always has the watchful eye of the TRADOC as well.

In any case there has not been a major shift regarding direct paths for enlisted to become officers aside from what exists today.

Having said all of this my recommendation would be to have the architect of this particular plan process, go through his SEL to set up a dialog to determine whether something similar to his ideas have been vetted or not.

If there is interest the Commandant would have the wherewithal to put this in the pipeline for evaluation and review.
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SGM William Everroad
SGM William Everroad
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CSM Darieus ZaGara, yea but you and me both know that SEAs and SGMs want more E9 slots, not less.

We already exceed the congressional limit on E9s, the conversation is more about do we needs a second authority channel of management at the larger than small unit level?
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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SGM William Everroad I dint disagree, I just don't think there is a taste for it. And we both know that study will never happen unless several at the top believe it the right path.
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Cpl George Matousek
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No, should deal with ability and knowledge of their job.
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SSG Jacen Black
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Unless they start getting degrees in things like small unit tactics or the like... Getting a degree shouldn't be tied to promotions.
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SFC Eddy Weezar
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No
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SGT Joseph Dutton
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I say no! If a person wants to be an officer (Green to Gold) then it is the individual to pursue that journey in his/her career. But to require enlisted personnel to get a a college degree to only get promoted to the next E rank is BS. I'm not college material and that's why I retired as an E-5. But to get back to the question. If a enlisted person has a college degree should not be pushed into the officer ranks by way of a commision. Like someone said! not everyone is a leader but you have followers and doers. When they took my SP5 away and hard striped me, not only I was a leader but I was a doer and helper along with my soldiers.
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1SG First Sergeant
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I see value in direct commissions for certain MOS. I can also support return to SPEC 5-8 for technical skills, supporting a leadership track for those who want to lead. Eliminating senior NCO ranks would never happen nor should. Enlisted need a career path, and coaching and mentoring by those enlisted leaders who made and learned from their mistakes. Officers from company level up need that NCO to tactically implement the commanders intent.

Again, room to tweak the system but let’s not go too far afield.
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No!! Marine Major General Jim Day, the Medal of Honor recipient who also had three Silver Stars and a battlefield commission as a gunnery sergeant, didn't get his degree until he was a Brigadier General. Each case should be considered by senior leadership according to its individual merits rather than using overly officious rules.
SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
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While I am sure that some people (military potentials) are born brilliant, the rest of us need to study. Nothing worse than having a Platoon Sgt. with an IQ close to that of a Zippo lighter
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