Posted on Oct 29, 2014
Should No Salute zones exist around exchanges/shoppettes?
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Half of the time, between holding my purchases, preparing to don or doff my PC, and reaching out towards the door, I find myself making some awkward adjustment for some Officer that just popped into view. (It's not like you can easily see them coming like you would just walking down the sidewalk).
I'm sure that there are officers that have had similar amounts of awkwardness returning (and offering) salutes.
I think the area immediately 10-meter radius from the door should be no salute zones.
I'm sure that there are officers that have had similar amounts of awkwardness returning (and offering) salutes.
I think the area immediately 10-meter radius from the door should be no salute zones.
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I know I am probably in the minority with my view, but I look at that as further erosion of military customs and courtesies.
It is just as much an "inconvenience" on officers as it is on NCOs and soldiers. When you start making exceptions for convenience, that starts the slippery slope.
There is no requirement to salute if you cannot do so because you are carrying items. A verbal greeting is all that is required. The moral... buy a lot of stuff (plus it helps the MWR budget, as some of the PX profits goes to MWR). :-)
However, if you have been around some of the PX and commissaries I have ben around, particularly on payday weekend, they could be declared a combat zone/action... therefore, problem solved. No saluting in combat... :-)
It is just as much an "inconvenience" on officers as it is on NCOs and soldiers. When you start making exceptions for convenience, that starts the slippery slope.
There is no requirement to salute if you cannot do so because you are carrying items. A verbal greeting is all that is required. The moral... buy a lot of stuff (plus it helps the MWR budget, as some of the PX profits goes to MWR). :-)
However, if you have been around some of the PX and commissaries I have ben around, particularly on payday weekend, they could be declared a combat zone/action... therefore, problem solved. No saluting in combat... :-)
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Wonder about hazardous duty pay during pay day shopping trips.
You make a good point though sir that I will remember the next time I spread out troops in a "salute gauntlet"for an approaching officer. Lol
You make a good point though sir that I will remember the next time I spread out troops in a "salute gauntlet"for an approaching officer. Lol
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:-) :-) ... "Saluting gauntlet"... LOL ... I think I have been a victim of a few of those.
:-) :-) ... "Saluting gauntlet"... LOL ... I think I have been a victim of a few of those.
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COL Burleson, you are correct Sir. The regulation for customs and courtesies (AR 600-25) does state that a salute does not have to be rendered if Soldier's hands are occupied by carrying items. Here is the excerpt from the reg.
i. Salutes are not required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate, or both are—
(1) In civilian attire.
(2) Engaged in routine work if the salute would interfere.
(3) Carrying articles with both hands so occupied as to make saluting impracticable.
(4) Working as a member of a detail, or engaged in sports or social functions where saluting would present a safety
hazard.
(5) In public places such as theaters, churches, and in public conveyances.
(6) In the ranks of a formation.
i. Salutes are not required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate, or both are—
(1) In civilian attire.
(2) Engaged in routine work if the salute would interfere.
(3) Carrying articles with both hands so occupied as to make saluting impracticable.
(4) Working as a member of a detail, or engaged in sports or social functions where saluting would present a safety
hazard.
(5) In public places such as theaters, churches, and in public conveyances.
(6) In the ranks of a formation.
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1SG (Join to see), I like the idea. One problem with this idea - even though I generally like it - is that there could be some "hard-ass" who says you're 11 meters away from the PX and wants to lock your heels for not saluting.
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The center courtyard of the Pentagon is a no salute zone. If it weren't, just about everybody would have their hand at salute the entire time they're in the courtyard.
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I know the Schoolhouse at Leonard Wood is the same, for basically the same reason.
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Make the salute. If your hands are full, then give the greeting of the day and drive on. If it is that much of a hassle, wait till after work hours and go in civilians. Like COL Burleson stated, once we start making allowances due to inconveniences, then we might as well as become civilians. If we do it for that one, where do we stop?
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I have to be honest and say that I am all for saluting, for the reasons already stated in the responses. I asked this question just to start a discussion because I have heard it mentioned many times before in the course of my career.
I am not a salute dodger or anything like that. I put those types in the same category as those who run inside to avoid the flag.
I am not a salute dodger or anything like that. I put those types in the same category as those who run inside to avoid the flag.
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I would say no! What the heck is so hard about giving a salute. Just because it might be a little inconvenient. We can't expect military customs and courtesies to be changed for someone's convenience or because we think they are to troublesome. If your hands are full all you have to do is give a verbal greeting.
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As COL Burleson stated if you are carrying items there is no requirement to salute the greeting of the day is all you have to do. So I don't think it's really completely necessary, but not a bad idea.
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I am all for customs and courtesies. But yes you bring up a very good point, probably not a bad idea. On the Navy Yard, the area around Dunkin Donuts and Subway is a no cover no salute zone.
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One place I've always thought should be no hat no salute zone was the motor pool. Being a wrenches well in the bay under a vehicle here at ease or calling bay to attention I'll admit bumped my head as a young joe. Or commands maintenance days walk to vehicles to inspect or verfy faults. Saluting. Nothing against saluting and not taing it away but just a pain. And the pc is just a pain. I actually had a motor sgt want use to have pc on well under vehicles.
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