Posted on Nov 20, 2019
Should President Trump provide credibility back to UCMJ by charging to start with: Admiral Green, Adm Gilday, Secretary Spencer?
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For dereliction of Duty, Insubordination, and whatever else fits for their efforts to work around the Commander in Chiefs wish for the military.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
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Posted 6 y ago
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You are an idiot. The President ventured out of his lane into the the Admirals. The admiral did nothing wrong.
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Let's put this in a little perspective here. Imagine you were a squad leader and a member in your squad screwed up. You consulted with your chain of command in the correct order and decided to provide discipline to your squad member and carried it out. Because that squad member did something that was publicized, the Division commander came behind you and reversed your decision. As the squad leader, you know your squad member better than anyone else and you know what your squad member did was wrong. And now that the Division commander reversed your decision, (which was vetted and approved by your chain of command) the entire squad, and largely the Company is now free to screw up in the same way your squad member did, with impunity.
Would this situation change your view?
Would this situation change your view?
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SPC Henry Francis
Those are not the circumstances. Gallagher was acquitted of multiple felonies and convicted of the minor infraction of having his picture taken with a dead enemy. He was appropriately punished for that but apparently that was not enough for SECNAV who personally initiated the Trident Review Board. SECNAV has NO business involving himself in disciplinary matters and in his post firing op ed he made that same case against Trump’s involvement. Trump only got involved to force SECNAV to NOT get involved. The aggregate of all that was done to punish Gallagher AFTER his acquittal resulted in Trump’s killing it once and for all. Gallagher still lost pay and had already served the confinement assessed for the photo (the maximum the charge would allow, AND lost rank... for a photo! SECNAV was livid and wanted to exact even more punishment because he disagreed the the not guilty verdicts handed down. Trump did the right thing righting the wrongs inflicted or attempted on Gallagher.
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A military that does not function with Gen Patton's "One tactical principle" as the prime operating directive is not a military I would want my grandchildren to serve. The clown that dreamed up the "Rules of engagement" concept to handcuff the military in combat deserves to be shot for betrayal.
It is an outrage to all of our dead military going back to the Vietnam war that politics is allowed to rule the men in combat.
It is an outrage to all of our dead military going back to the Vietnam war that politics is allowed to rule the men in combat.
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SPC John Canning
Its not all bashing, funny thing is every one of the would push punishment on someone who was further down the chain of command.
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SFC Robert Walton
SPC John Canning - No I wouldn't and you don't know me well enough to say that. This is not a issue where President Trump needs to do anything there is leaders in place to do that. Let the CHAIN OF COMMAND do their job and enough is enough.
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SPC John Canning
Yep and he is the top of the Chain, but it is very apparent that Anoc needs a refresher on the way the Chain of Command is structured because there are quite a few NCO’s that do not understand it. It is within the CinC right whether it hurts your feelings or not. SFC Robert Walton
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SFC Robert Walton
Oh look another smart mouth with an ax to grind. This was an opinionated question. I offered my opinion, you don't like it go to your safe place. I am well aware how the COC works and I am also aware that you solve problems first at the lowest level possible if that fails then you move up to then next level. You do not need the post Commander to take care of a PT failure. Let the COC work then if it fails move up. Right now i think President Trump has done the right thing and has the ball rolling in the right direction now let the rest work its self out when the dust settles if everything is not right then he needs to get involved again. Don't like my answer Move on don't come in bad mouthing me because i did not give the answer you wanted to hear. Apparently you need a class in Soldier etiquette.
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Strongly concur. Trump should not interfere with military justice. He has no idea how the United States military works. Leave decisions to those placed in positions of authority.
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PO1 John Hudson
SCPO Bob Herndon sorry to offend your sensibilities. Good order and discipline far outweighs any one person or party, or draft dodger, at least that was what they were referred to during Viet Nam.
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SCPO Bob Herndon
PO1 John Hudson - My sensibilities have nothing to do with it. Your position is an Oxymoron as you state you’re defending “good order and discipline” while disrespecting the Chain of Command and the elected Commander in Chief. His personal attributes, history, etc, etc....are NOT relevant. And, the fact that you want to introduce politics into what should absolutely be a Good order and discipline situation speaks more to your credibility than his.
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SCPO Bob Herndon
I support the President of the United States and Commander in Chief regardless of what his name is. If you don't, that's on you.
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SGT Corey Strader
It started as a religious invasion (I was proselytized to by several Senior NCO's and Officers in my chain of command while we were all in uniform during my tenure as a recruiter) and has become a political invasion. I feel the same way about this as I do that. Just as those men were (and should have known better), EVERYONE who is on this forum (or any other public forum) and speaking against the Commander in Chief (or praising those in the Command who have publicly acted or spoken in such a manner) while still wearing a military uniform is in direct violation of their oath, the UCMJ and the US Constitution. There were SEVERAL presidents who held office during the 12 years I wore the Army uniform (all of them) whom I did not particularly like or agree with, but I did my duty, sucked it up and kept it to myself until it was time for me to separate. I suggest that those in violation either separate from service, or grow up a bit and find your military bearing.
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CW4 Guy Butler
SGT Corey Strader Overall, I agree. You mightwant to find one of those individuals to address, though.
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Trust the Navy leadership. They’ve earned that position. Give the seal the boot.
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