Posted on Aug 4, 2014
Should Sergeants Major pay grades be commensurate with their positions like Generals?
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General officer ranks are appointments with stars based on their levels of position. We had an O6 go straight to O8 because of the position. To me it makes no sense that this is not the same with our Sergeants Majors. I mean it blows my mind to think that a Battalion S3 SGM is the same pay grade as the Advisor to the Joint Chief of Staff. It seems severely unbalanced. I think the ranks should be much like Generals, i.e. Brigade CSM.
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Are you nucking futs? These individuals are there to provide a link back to the troops - not cater to the Generals / Admirals.
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and if they are doing a good job, they should be paid for it. Granted I've seen bad CMCs, but I've seen more bad ass CMC's than not, and I think they deserve the recognizition for their efforts. being an ear to a bunch of whining sailors has got to be a stress I can't fathom.
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Nominative Sergeants Major are compensated by allowing them to serve for extended periods of time, which leads to an increased retirement. If you hit 40 years, its 100%. Sergeants Major may serve until 30 years of service.
http://www.armyreenlistment.com/rcp.html
2. Command sergeants major (CSMs) and sergeants major (SGMs) (at Headquarters, Department of the Army and Army Commands) serving in nominative positions where the CSM/SGM is rated by a general officer, member of the Senior Executive Service or equivalent, or serving as CSM at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy or as Executive Officer to the Sergeant Major of the Army are authorized to serve beyond 30 years total active service while serving in the position. The Vice Chief of Staff of the Army must approve exceptions for operational reasons. Upon leaving a position which authorizes service beyond 30 years, NCOs who have not applied for retirement will be classified using special reporting code 09U (see note 4)
I would not mind seeing an E9 G grade, for nominative Sergeants Major.
http://www.armyreenlistment.com/rcp.html
2. Command sergeants major (CSMs) and sergeants major (SGMs) (at Headquarters, Department of the Army and Army Commands) serving in nominative positions where the CSM/SGM is rated by a general officer, member of the Senior Executive Service or equivalent, or serving as CSM at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy or as Executive Officer to the Sergeant Major of the Army are authorized to serve beyond 30 years total active service while serving in the position. The Vice Chief of Staff of the Army must approve exceptions for operational reasons. Upon leaving a position which authorizes service beyond 30 years, NCOs who have not applied for retirement will be classified using special reporting code 09U (see note 4)
I would not mind seeing an E9 G grade, for nominative Sergeants Major.
Retention Control Points (RCP)
Retention control points (RCP) are the maximum amount of years of active service, an enlisted Soldier can serve before they must either get promoted or leave the active Army.
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I don’t understand the question? It seems like most people are justifying the extra grade so that subordinates will listen to the CSM? But most NCOs who interact with the CSM don’t work for the CSM, aren’t rated by the CSM and have a commander to answer to and are rated by one? So why the need for “greater influence”? At the end of the day, being a Senior Enlisted Adviser is a pretty sweet gig. Where do these positions exist in the civilian sector? They don’t. I found it challenging at times to balance the respect for the CSM while reminding them that my 1SG worked for me and that the CSM should be advising or sharing experiences not directing and making policy...just my two cents.
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I personally don't feel that Sergeant Major's or their equivalent counterparts in our sister-services need additional compensation just because they may/may not serve in an advisory capacity. They are at the top of their career fields and in theory can walk into any senior leadership position and make decisions. They are already making $81,732 (if on active duty). That does not include BAH/BAS which is probably another $2300 a month.
Every day I hear the term "fiscally constrained operating environment". Talks of commissaries being shuttered; cuts to tuition assistance; 1% pay raises (because we all know we are compensated better than our civilian counterparts) and so on. Additional compensation for those in pay grade E9 - while only a tiny portion of the overall personnel budget - would send the wrong message.
What do you tell the Staff Sergeant who fills in for the Platoon Sergeant for six months? What do you tell the Sergeant First Class who fills in for a vacant First Sergeant position for close to a year? How do you compensate the Specialist who gets slotted into an NCO position - does the work - but does not receive the compensation or recognition for doing the job outside of his paygrade?
No, we don't need to be rewarding those at the very top with extra money for something that is fully expected of them by the nature of their rank, experience, and position.
Every day I hear the term "fiscally constrained operating environment". Talks of commissaries being shuttered; cuts to tuition assistance; 1% pay raises (because we all know we are compensated better than our civilian counterparts) and so on. Additional compensation for those in pay grade E9 - while only a tiny portion of the overall personnel budget - would send the wrong message.
What do you tell the Staff Sergeant who fills in for the Platoon Sergeant for six months? What do you tell the Sergeant First Class who fills in for a vacant First Sergeant position for close to a year? How do you compensate the Specialist who gets slotted into an NCO position - does the work - but does not receive the compensation or recognition for doing the job outside of his paygrade?
No, we don't need to be rewarding those at the very top with extra money for something that is fully expected of them by the nature of their rank, experience, and position.
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The fact that we cannot give every member who goes above and beyond what they deserve doesn't mean we shouldn't for those we can.
The type of person who would serve in an E-10 billet wouldn't just be at the top of their career field, they would be doing a job that few would ever be able to.
As for how we compensate junior enlisted filling billets above their paygrades? We write them evals that ensure they get promoted. We have tools like the Command Advancement Program. If the Army isn't ensuring their hot runners get promoted, or making use of CO-directed promotions, then that's the Army's fault.
The type of person who would serve in an E-10 billet wouldn't just be at the top of their career field, they would be doing a job that few would ever be able to.
As for how we compensate junior enlisted filling billets above their paygrades? We write them evals that ensure they get promoted. We have tools like the Command Advancement Program. If the Army isn't ensuring their hot runners get promoted, or making use of CO-directed promotions, then that's the Army's fault.
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Each enlisted service chief gets special pay because of the position that's about it. I found this on the DFAS Website
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
With all the budget cuts you want them to get more money. Have you seen what a general gets paid while us lowly ranks get chicken feed. How bout they take a cut in pay and quit wasting money on bs uniform changes.
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Leave it alone! No use starting power trips, we all know, there's enough of those around!
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1SG (Join to see)
The same could be said for the GO's. Are you implying that on General Officer is Better then the rest, therefore they should be entitled to increased pay? I'm not saying the entire pay scale should be adjusted, but it's woth examining. Maybe they should give the GO's one salary regardless of position.
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SFC Robin Gates
SFC Ellis I agree with that make all GO's the same pay scale! They still get their perks and quirks as GO's anyway.
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SSG William Patton
I see the SGM as top of the enlisted heap and most I have served under were outstanding leaders. I have served under general officers that would not make a pimple on a CSMs ass. My issue is the number of general officers in the military. I see far too many and that means they have to justify their existence by initiating changes like unneeded uniform changes, which cost a fortune. They are determined politically and therein lies the problem. Those who kiss the most political ass are often rewarded with a star. I served with a young major, a member of the Long Grey Line, that would be lucky to make LTC, much less any higher because he called out the idiots for stupid decisions. We would follow that many though the gates of hell because he took real good care of us. Most of his superiors would sacrifice us in a second if they thought it would enhance their careers. As for pay, it is what it is and will not change, no matter what we peons think. There it is. And, it don't mean nuthin.
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LCDR (Join to see)
I agree, all General and Flag officers should be on the same pay scale as an O-10.
Oh, that's probably not what you had in mind, was it?
It's pretty disgusting when service members try to take away from other service members - whatever the reason.
Oh, that's probably not what you had in mind, was it?
It's pretty disgusting when service members try to take away from other service members - whatever the reason.
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because of the CSM in front C sgt major unless that Sg major got position required to be CSM
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