Posted on Aug 11, 2017
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MSG Pat Colby
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Pretty sure that the APFT standards to achieve the EIB is 70 points in each event. To Pass a regular APFT a Soldier must get 60 points. As long as the Soldier got 60 points, there legally can be no Flag. The IG would eat your ass up if you tried to Flag.

On a related note, Being 6'4" I have always had issues with Push-ups. If I managed to get 90 points on them, then the Sit-ups and run were an easy 100 points. If I didn't get 90, then I would aim for 80 points in the other two events. I honestly didn't care what anyone thought.
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SPC Martin Meyer
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I never cared about the EIB. I was a Veitnam era Veteran and wanted the CIM badge more than anything.
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SFC Larry DeFord
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Yes, because it displays a lack of discipline and apathy.
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CPL Ralph Moschler
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Why would you want to fell it , I am a old grunt , but please tell me why , always do your best
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SPC Angel Lopez
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No, a lot of people that I know who went thru the eib process were forced by their command
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SFC Ncoic
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YES, just like schools (DS, NCOES or MOS) even know they are not for record. I knew many who failed because they just wanted out....
When my unit went thru EIB back in 1979 Germany 1st 7th INF there were over 500 Soldiers. The APFT, Weapons Qualification and Road March weeded out over half and the second half was weeded out the first day of competition. In the end only 6 Soldiers got the EIB. I was one of them as a E2
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SGT John Price
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Absolutely. I believe however this is a first line supervisor/leadership failure. Rather than documenting it and counseling the soldier this should be an old fashioned smoke session that lasts the duration of the EIB. This could be done in the guise of aiding the counselors by continuously running them water, providing umbrella shade, etc. This allows the team leaders to get creative and bolster their soldiers morale for the next EIB.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
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I spent four years in the infantry (79 - 83) on active duty - I have no recollection of EIB testing ever being voluntary. Everyone had to do it. If you were on leave or something you did the makeup test. Anyone who failed it, at any point, still had to go through every station and event to complete the testing. If you were an overall failure at the end (less than 80% I believe) - you did it over again. ALL of it. If the CoC believed you intentionally failed it, you would get extra duty at a MINIMUM. Why would anyone intentionally fail EIB testing (or just the 12 mile ruck march)? You'd have to do it all again (retest) AND get extra duty.

Those redoing the 12 mile ruck march would have several of the biggest E6 or E7's in the BN "prompting" you on. I don't recall anyone ever intentionally failing it - the stragglers were given motivation to speed up. God help you if they thought you intentionally failed - you could expect to do it again (and again), get extra duty and do additional PT in the evenings for a month - at a minimum. Until you passed it. Anyway, to get an EIB you had to pass the testing on the first go round - those in the make up group (first time failures) were ineligible.

Have times changed?
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SGT Shawn Mendoza
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Nope. I had my cib before i had to train gir eib. After i had my CIB it proved i knew my job when it mattered. So i didn't give a shit about EIB. I did all the pre-qualifications easy peasy and would then throw a granade short or far, camo up really good except some obvious spot. Lol.
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PV2 Infantryman
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I think that if you have a team leader worth his salt, he'll know if you failed on purpose, and will smoke the hell out of you. Mine definitely would.
Any soldier who accepts the mediocre as the norm will be exposed and punished if they have proper leadership. No reason for ucmj or any such thing when your nco can work you half to death in an afternoon. If you have half a brain you'll learn your lesson.
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