Posted on Dec 29, 2015
SSG Brian Marshall
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to be honest, the tape test is absolutely worthless for body composition. there's an e5 in my battery that tapes at -2% body fat. I still can't figure out how someone can have anti-body fat. and if your posture is bad, you magically get fatter, and the numbers don't adjust for total body weight
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I once knew a female O4 that was so fat she looked like she was 9 months pregnant. But her neck was so fat that she taped out every time.
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SPC Margaret Higgins
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Edited 10 y ago
I believe that this is very unfair to the Soldiers. They are not being rated on their: loyalty, fidelity, honor, years of service, and bravery, but on their weight.
Did anyone ever stop to think that these men and women might have emotional/mental issues; after their repeated deployments? and after possibly sacrificing their very lives; for their country ...and thus the overeating?
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MSG Jay Jackson
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I would say if being overweight is the only issue then go ahead and do the award for this soldier.
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SPC Jerry McEntire
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If you have done 20 years been deployed and for the most part a good soldier who cares if you have a few extra pounds as long as you get the job done!
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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Edited 10 y ago
They give you plenty of time to try and get into shape and get the weight off....if the soldier didn't take the time to try and do something about it, it's on that soldier and no one else.

This being said...I think the way the weight thing is figured out is BOLOGNA....my second year in....I got sent to my commanders office for my weight...I wore a size 3...yep, that's right...a 3...which is really very tiny....yet, I was muscular and have always weighed way more than I look.....I have the German side of my families big butt and thighs.......5'5 and 137 lbs and I was told I was pushing the limit. My commander laughed his ass off and told me to get the hell out of his office and that he would take care of it....... It's ridiculous.

BUT! On the serious note....if you are over weight....bulging belly and obviously over weight...then you should do something about it. If you ignore it and don't do anything, then too bad.

My boss when I first got to Wilford Hall was painfully over weight...by 100 lbs. He was written up...three times....and for over a year, he didn't even try to do anything about it....and he was kicked out...in his 19th year of service. It was his fault and no one else's. He had plenty of opportunity to try and loose the weight and he made no effort and didn't drop a pound. He had the attitude of ....I only have less than two years to go so who cares. Well the Air Force cared and they didn't let him get away with it. He had no excuses....he ate like a pig.
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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And if they didn't give you the time to get back into standards? Believe me that happens in the Army.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Sgt Kelli Mays
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SSG Brian Marshall - I don't know. Maybe the Army is stricter....Maybe go to the doctor and get a note or find a reason...can't you sign up for some sort of program through physical therapy or is there not any programs offered?
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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I went they a MEB and was still given a PT test after I came off profile. It isn't what you expect it to be!
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Sgt Kelli Mays
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SSG Brian Marshall - Once you get out and you are interested in doing something I know the VA offers certain surgeries...I know a few fellow Vets who did it....there are like three or four different avenues...the sleeve, the ? something and the something...I don't remember. Both of my girlfriends got different procedures. They went to their primary care physician and got a consult to the weight management clinic and then it goes from there.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Have you tried enlisting RA?
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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Oh no I'm done once I get my DD 214 ain't no going back in. The Army has changed way to much for me.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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I am in the wrong thread. My response was meant for the Guardsman that wished for a deployment. Sorry.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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That's what my granddad said in 1920.
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SPC Makissa Lewis
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I think the height and weight requirements are outdated. With that said, don't worry about your award start planning for the next chapter of your life.
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SFC State Director
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Agreed. I'm fairly certain an employer won't ask if you have a retirement or discharge award! An Honorable discharge speaks volumes.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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I was deployed for a year into a combat zone with 9 months left before retirement by the time I returned. I was still obligated to do my PFT within that time, and I continued to give the Air Force everything I could before I went on terminal leave. Staying within standards matters and it is important. If you fail to meet this requirement prior to retirement, you have no one to blame but yourself. As another poster stated, you have an honorable career to take to your next employer who could care less whether you met those standards on the eve of retirement. However, how would you deal with your own decision not to met your obligations all the way until the end of your service?
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SSG Rafael Rodriguez
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You have situation awareness, 20 Yrs and 4 Deployments, that makes you an outstanding Soldier in my book, you do now appreciate where you're at and more than ever take care of that flag. I am not going to read you the book because you know it, nothing comes easy, remember the bottom line, get a partner, battle buddy or a friend but got to get this flag removed, focus on the task, it can be done, how bad you want this retirement?
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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Well he's going to retire anyway and he doesn't have time to get the flag removed. I do appreciate the words of encouragement!
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SGT Journeyman Plumber
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My thoughts? Standards are standards. 20 years of service doesn't trump standards, and neither do 4 deployments. If a soldier gets flagged for not meeting height and weight then they have no one to blame but themselves.
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SFC Douglas Duckett, I acknowledge that this will come across as extremely callous, but a service member deciding to commit suicide is not my problem. Also, if a soldier is so psychologically unstable as to be contemplating or attempting suicide then they certainly don't need to be in the military. They should get help, and if that help fails them after a set period of time then they need to give up the uniform. This is cold, and many will not like these words, but the military exists to wage war. People unfit to wage war should not be allowed a position to do so.
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SPC Kortney Kistler
SPC Kortney Kistler
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SGT (Join to see) - It is your problem. You are a Non Commissioned Officer in the United States Army. You have subordinates and their well being is your responsibility, be it mentally and physically. Your cavalier attitude towards such a troublesome epidemic clearly demonstrates your inability to carry the weight of responsibility that comes with the three chevrons you where on your shoulders.
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SGT Journeyman Plumber
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SPC Kortney Kistler, kindly direct your attention to the green "V" to the right of my name. Considering you have one yourself you should know that it means I am no longer in service. I am not an NCO anymore, and as such do not wear any chevrons. Even if I was still active though, that wouldn't change my opinions on these matters. Soldiers should receive the best help we can provide them, but if they can't come back from the brink then they need to leave the service and continue their path to recovery with the VA.
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SPC Kortney Kistler
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SGT (Join to see) - Your last statement is far more profound than your previous one, you should have lead with that.
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