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With the military shrinking and less money to go around for training should basic courses such as IBOLC and BCT become more difficult to supplement for the lack enrollment in difficult courses?
Posted 10 y ago
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CPT (Join to see) it should change with the current operations of world events. The enemy is always changing up, we must keep the edge in order to adapt to a forever changing world. Our TTPs must be re-defined and implement to maintain the edge in world security.
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If the end goal here is to produce a better quality of Soldiers then the standards need to be set and enforced at the Company/Troop/Battery level. I'm not saying that changes to BCT/ IBOLC aren't necessary but Soldiering doesn't stop after IET. I'm sure I am not the only one that has seen Soldiers/leaders in a unit be accepted as "sub par" but nothing is done to change it. Whether it be mentorship or separation, appropriate action needs to be taken at all levels.
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Great question. Our mission remains constant: to win our nation's wars. Training should adjust to the mission, not to balancing attendance numbers.
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SSG Thomas Gallegos
Before retiring in 2012 I seen many years of dwindling performance of "leaders" thrust into positions to meet MTOE etc.
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I've been through infantry basic training as and enlisted solder and IBOLC as an infantry officer and I believe that BCT was probably a little more challenging of the two but still nothing too difficult. It's a common practice for infantry officers to go to Ranger School after IBOLC in order to challenge young LTs and further their training to be strong PLs. I believe IBOLC should be more challenging so the Army doesn't have to really on Ranger school as much to insure infantry officers a prepared to leader their troops. Thoughts?
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SPC James Seigars
2LT Ronnie Brown this is my take on it as a retired/disabled Ex-NCO/Soldier who worked the last five years in units training AIT students and then advanced officer courses:
1: The Army needs to go back to tougher training in BCT and AIT, Stress cards and the like have given us an army of whiners in my opinion.
2. If a NCO loses their way and gets demoted & gives up (talking about myself among others) then the CoC should push them to get back on track if they are believed to be good leaders, if not they should be flagged from re-enlisting.
3. I believe that 2LT and maybe even some 1LT should be answerable to more experienced 1LT before becoming even a squad leader since their lack of actual combat experience and mentoring can cost careers or even lives of other soldiers.
4. If an officer/NCO can't pass pt or any part of a school they shouldn't be allowed to graduate that school (you would be surprised at how many I saw whose pt records were "pencil whipped".
5. I disagree with Officers (or enlisted) having to make a certain rank in a set amount of time or lose their commission (get forced out). I know it was meant to foster a military of "go-getters", but it is hard to get the college/correspondence courses needed for promotion points if you are being deployed as much as we have since 2003.
I know you and others won't agree with all of these points, but I doubt anyone will disagree with them all.
1: The Army needs to go back to tougher training in BCT and AIT, Stress cards and the like have given us an army of whiners in my opinion.
2. If a NCO loses their way and gets demoted & gives up (talking about myself among others) then the CoC should push them to get back on track if they are believed to be good leaders, if not they should be flagged from re-enlisting.
3. I believe that 2LT and maybe even some 1LT should be answerable to more experienced 1LT before becoming even a squad leader since their lack of actual combat experience and mentoring can cost careers or even lives of other soldiers.
4. If an officer/NCO can't pass pt or any part of a school they shouldn't be allowed to graduate that school (you would be surprised at how many I saw whose pt records were "pencil whipped".
5. I disagree with Officers (or enlisted) having to make a certain rank in a set amount of time or lose their commission (get forced out). I know it was meant to foster a military of "go-getters", but it is hard to get the college/correspondence courses needed for promotion points if you are being deployed as much as we have since 2003.
I know you and others won't agree with all of these points, but I doubt anyone will disagree with them all.
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the only thing I disagree with is the 2nd half of the 1st point, simply because of the stress cards. Not because of the idea of them, but because I question their existence. I have yet to see one or even meet anyone that actually has. I have been told by people for the 3 years I have been in the Army that I didn't go through a real BCT or anything because of these so called stress cards and how I wasn't put in any real stress situations. While I do agree that BCT is not difficult for anyone with even a slight amount of mental toughness and someone sorta in shape, I personally have not seen where the stress cards are any more than rumors spread by people who just say they had it tougher.
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MAJ Glenn Bergeron
Are military recruits issued a stress card they can present to drill sergeants who are giving them a hard time?
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Here ya go
The Army's new basic training: More tests, peer evals coming Oct. 1
Beginning Oct. 1, new soldiers entering basic combat training will be required to pass three tests and tackle new mandatory tasks to graduate.
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I went through infantry osut at Benning in 2012 and the graduating standards were harder than these.
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I don't think it should be done as a supplement, but just in general. We should constantly strive for tougher courses and higher standards, not because we are shrinking or have less money but to improve. There shouldn't be a drop in standard or toughness simply because the need of forces goes up. That is majorly counterproductive and weakens us overall for the future.
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No. The standard is the standard. We just need to make sure the standard is as difficult as the minimum expectations we should have. Basic Training is going to get harder from recent press releases I have read.
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