Posted on Feb 1, 2017
MSgt George Cater
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What say you? Make it clear and unambiguous. One possible text:

"The right of the people to defend themselves, their property and their Nation being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
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PO3 Kenn Andrus
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once you start changing the wording of the Constitution, you will give every Liberal an opportunity to change the whole of our country to suit their own needs and trample on the rights of the rest of us. Leave it alone!!!!!
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MSgt George Cater
MSgt George Cater
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I completely agree. But sadly, those wanting to destroy the country are getting it done by activist judges because they can't do it nationwide legislatively.
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Cpl Gabriel F.
Cpl Gabriel F.
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Always remember the founders had the knowledge the future would bring out the tory types ready to bent at the knee yet again.
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Sgt John Erskine
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Do everything to keep your weapons because with these open border, progressive (Socialist) types trying to regain the government, if they do there will be hell to pay !
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Cpl Gabriel F.
Cpl Gabriel F.
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Socialist swap frogs are croaking loudly Marine. Semper Fidelis.
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Sgt John Erskine
Sgt John Erskine
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Amen Brother !
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GySgt Duane DaVein
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It is clear. The language has changed since the Constitution was written. “Well regulated” meant “properly equipped or well equipped or well ordered”.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
That translates in modern English to:
A well equipped militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
A militia to the framers, is not the National Guard. The National Guard is a sworn, standing Army, not private citizens.
Since them various Supreme Courts had ignored the Second Amendment as written because it is difficult for those in power to allow the People to be empowered and not totally at the mercy of its rulers.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Randy Torgerson
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The Heller case in DC supreme court decision stated finally that the "militia" refers to "the people". No one can argue that point legitimately anymore.
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Cpl Gabriel F.
Cpl Gabriel F.
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Good to go Gunny. Semper Fidelis.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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If they are dead set on outlawing something, outlaw lobbyists. They used to serve a purpose and cause legislation in the public interest. Not so much anymore. Just a system of legalized influence-peddling to push through legislation that is detrimental to all in society other than the ones putting up the cash. Outlaw homesteading in Congress. They push servicemen out when they're deemed as no longer effective, so why a double standard? Most MOC's have sold their souls years ago but the cash keeps them in office. Outlaw dark money that is protected by Citizens United. They can bundle through Super PACs and due to the wording we as the public have no right to know who is putting up the cash. For all we know, foreign interests are channeling cash to campaigns to circumvent our system. I'd like to know and every citizen should want to know if foreign interests are controlling our system from afar. We already know that elected positions are indirectly for sale to the highest bidders, but we assume only from US citizens. It defeats the purpose of spending $ 600 billion annually on defense when foreign actors can achieve their goals without ever firing a shot.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Randy Torgerson
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SPC Don Wynn - What is "dark money"? Sorry I'm just not sure what that is in the context here...
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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SPC Randy Torgerson - Money that is not traceable. As currently enacted, an entity can set up a PAC, and any funding is concealed. A candidate sets up a PAC or Super PAC (not sure of the difference) and anyone or any entity can contribute to it without revealing their identity. Thus 'dark money'.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Randy Torgerson
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SPC Don Wynn - Ohhhh..... I see. Ok Understood, thanks.
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Cpl Gabriel F.
Cpl Gabriel F.
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Good to go Gunner. Semper Fidelis.
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PO3 Mike Wimbish
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One problem you may be having is multiple commas. There was only one in the official, ratified version.

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

I see it quoted most often with 3 commas when 2A-opponents seek either to redefine its meaning or make it extraneous. When comma-spliced into ambiguity, the resultant sentence is meaningless.
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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Pre existing is not correct either. As I've mentioned elsewhere, any right we have is a result of decisions made by we, the people. Don't forget, any right could be removed if the people so chose to do so. It is a right we have chosen to give ourselves and have put limits on. Government is not some tolerable entity, it is us, the people.
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CW3 Harvey K.
CW3 Harvey K.
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SPC Don Wynn - Elsewhere rejected and replied to. The requirement to revoke any right is a new government, with a new constitution, written under a new philosophical view of the nature of Humanity, and the intrinsic rights implied in that nature.
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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CW3 Harvey K. - No, all that's needed is an amendment, or vote carried to repeal it, new constitution not necessary. You may not agree with that, but it is a fact. The BOR is not a separate part of the Constitution, they are amendments to it.
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CW3 Harvey K.
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So tell me, how is it that it is a fact the Founders knew that they did not have the power to "grant rights" to the people, but could merely guarantee the inherent rights the people already had, while you presume to arrogate the power to revoke such innate rights by a perversion of the amendment process?
That statist view is in total opposition to the "self-evident truths" about the nature of Man expressed in the Declaration of Independence, and which is the basis of the Constitution, as modified and enhanced by the BOR.
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
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No way. This is how the founders wrote it. Leave it alone. All that does is open up a can of worms.
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MAJ James Goldberg
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Have Congress vote on an amendment to the Constitution:
1) The Second Amendment is hereby rescinded.
2) The Right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
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If 2/3's of the House and Senate approve, send it out to the states. If 3/4's approve, you have clarity on gun ownership rights. If there is a failure to get 3/4's you ALSO then have clarity on gun ownership rights.
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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SGT James Colwell - We may be getting caught up in semantics, as I stated. What you described is a want or desire. Right is a legal term, as laid out by the Constitution. As far as supporting that 'right', no, you may not exercise it! Well, rather, you can exercise it, but you would be facing whatever punishment that society has deemed appropriate. You may have others that agree with you taking the action you did, but as far as support, it would be doubtful you had it.
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SGT James Colwell
SGT James Colwell
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I agree about being caught up in semantics. However there are certain rights that are granted to human beings that are not rights only in a legal sense. Some rights are granted solely because we are human beings. Some "legal" systems will try to deny, and in some cases succeed in denying people those rights. And you are also correct that some wants/desires are just that, but human rights which are granted to us are rights as well as wants/desires. That is part of human nature. Rights and desires can at times be mutually exclusive.
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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SGT James Colwell - If course, human nature is not to be forced to do anything, to want to keep breathing and do what gives us pleasure. But, once you are part of a society, and want to remain in that society or any other, rules come in that may exclude certain wants and desires. That's where rights come in. To get away from the 2A, you have a right to worship as you please, but only if in so doing it does not harm someone else.
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SGT James Colwell
SGT James Colwell
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Defending myself is a right and also part of human nature. The fight or flight response is a DEFENSE mechanism. The 2nd Amendment guarantees a way to fight to defend myself. SO if a government says that I can't arm myself for the purpose of self defense, they may "legally" restrict my ability to fight, but they can't take away my right to defend myself because it is part of human nature. OF course there are rules in any society, but rules cannot erase our natural rights. They can ONLY suppress them as long as the society allows them to be suppressed. It is obvious we aren't going to come to an agreement on this, so I will let you have the last word. And despite our differing viewpoints, I have enjoyed this discussion.
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TSgt Gary Coons
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The "confusion" is from individuals & groups that want to control other individuals and groups. The 2nd Amendment is clear and concise, important to note that of all the Bill of Rights, it is the only one that SPECIFICALLY states "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
Our forefathers knew exactly what they were doing and saw and used few words to prevent future tyrannical governments from removing Liberty from its citizenry.
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Attaboy, Gary!!!
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SGT William D. Mitchell
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We are the militia. The idiots just need to understand that.
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PO2 Sam Vanderburg
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Not even touched!
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