Posted on Jan 28, 2014
Should the Army bring back the Specialist titles?
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When I joined the Army we Specialist 4-6 (SP7 had just been discontinued). It provided those Soldiers who had technical expertise and experience the opportunity to progress and earn more pay. However they typically were not "green tab" leaders and were subordinate in rank to a "sergeant" of the same pay grade (SSG & SP6). I've often thought over the years that the Army deleted a program that brought added value to the organization by discontinuing these ranks, as not all Soldiers are not going to be good leaders but should have the opportunity to progress based on their occupational expertise.
Should the Army bring these ranks back?
Should the Army bring these ranks back?
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 708
Bring back the Tech SGTs and know that they are techs first and leaders second. Basically the Warrant Officer rate in the enlisted service. Many MOSs would benefit from this: Vet Corps, Medical Corps, Finance, Chemical, Cyber, Signal, Legal, Mechanics, Calibration, etc.
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No, because it was done my mos and not by leadership ability. Any nco could give a lawful order. A specialist cannot.
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navy pay grade, and MOS or Rating are two things. Your are pay grade E 5 , then another job of equal pay grade, time in service, is not a superior non com. Spec 5 senior time in grade is not the Junior non com, chain of command, is how we operate
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I used to think so, but not anymore. I've been retired for 18 years, but I did serve as a DAC at the installation level for years after. I came up the ranks as a Specialist (4, 5 and 6) before being converted to SSG in 1975. I do believe that there were otherwise good soldiers at the PFC and SPC(4) level that would have been overjoyed to remain at that rank. I used to say that the Army needs happy ditch diggers. Perhaps just longevity raises. Anyway, as a NCO Academy Commandant for PLDC (now called something else I think), I felt that we were forcing young Specialists to become leaders too soon in a lot of cases. Then putting out otherwise good soldiers just because they were not leader material. I never believed in up or out. I always felt that some could just stagnate as long as they did what they were supposed to do and let others jump around them. I have no idea how things are now, so don't blast me, but that was my opinion then. I am old enough to know that things do change. Spoon 7 out.
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I can see bringing back Sp 5 and Sp 6. I could see 5s still being utilized in positions in combat arms. I would only use 6s in clerical or technical positions like computers, finance or the medical field. It would also be another way to keep the "manning numbers" up. I would NOT have a Sp 7. I think at that level it is earned by time and position and experience. I saw too many people go from E-6 to E-7 that couldn't lead a 3 man section to the mess hall and back. If you can't do the job find a place for them behind a desk as a Sp 6, let them finish their current enlistment then send them home. Retiring at 20 years should not be a given if you cannot lead and I saw it first hand too many times.
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The military doesn't want to pay you at all, which is why they force many good NCO's out, to make room for lower paid personnel. So my question is, whether a leader or not, why would they want more personnel attaining a higher pay grade? It seems the current promotion system is prohibiting that already. They need to pay Lockheed, Boeing and Oshkosh... Just my thought.
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Never should have done away with any of the Specialist ranks. SO many shit NCO's that would have made great specialists in the military these past 30+ years.
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