Posted on Feb 18, 2014
LTC John Czarnecki
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If you were to get a Company Grade Article 15 for some minor offense, one of the punishment options is a week's confinement.&nbsp; Move up to a Field Grade ART 15 and you can get a month.<br><br>This USED to be served at the post CCF, or Correctional Confinement Facility, popularly called the Gulag.&nbsp; It wasn't jail, but it wasn't a nice place, either.&nbsp; Hard-ass NCOs would supervise work details, where an errant young trooper would serve his confinement by filling sandbags, or cutting firewood for the Sr. NCO's and Officer's quarters.&nbsp; The soldiers lived in WWII barracks which were surrounded by a fence but no guard.&nbsp; There was a CQ on duty to make sure nobody ran off, however.<br><br>The objective was to make the wrong-doer sweat a bit for their crimes.&nbsp; This did one of two things:&nbsp; the soldier who punched an NCO and got an ART-15 would either become reformed, or would become incorrigible and would generally wind up being Chaptered out of the service.&nbsp; More often than not, the soldiers who went to CCF would be reformed.<br><br>I started this thread as a companion to the School of the Soldier thread... by getting back to the basics, even with a purely volunteer Service, I feel the needs of the NCOs are best being met.&nbsp; <br><br>What do you think?&nbsp; Have you had any experience with the CCF?&nbsp; (I once took a truckload of empty sandbags to the CCF to have them filled... I was tapped to support the construction of ROTC summer camp fighting positions at Ft. Lewis.&nbsp; The NCOIC at the CCF pointed to a shade tree and told the three of us to relax in the lounge chairs under it.&nbsp; A few hours later our truck was neatly loaded with a thousand or so filled sandbags.&nbsp; Nice.)<br>
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SP6 Alejandro P
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It seems that these days the Army doesn't even want to try and discipline / rehabilitate anyone , they'd just rather get rid of you. As this discussion goes , they got rid of the post CCF's , they ripped down the old Disciplinary Barracks that housed around 1500 prisoners and replaced it with a new facility with around 400 beds. I was told if your offence is serious enough the Army gives you a DD and hands you over to the Federal BOP.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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The main reason Charlie Chicken Farms were closed down was the amount of support it took to run them, coupled with the Army's Up or Out, and Screw Up you're Out policies. When we were hurting for line troops, having 1-2 guards per inmate plus the support staff, sitting on the butt at CCF became unacceptable. As for School of the Soldier, like I said we handled our own problems t the PLT/CO level. There was no crying to JAG ,once you showed the trooper where UCMJ called for no 2nd chances, and their only choice was to deal with the CDR or deal with me. I told them that for minor problems, the counselling sheet would disappear in 3-6 months if no more problems. yes it took time to counsel everyone monthly and special occasions, but that's what I called good leadership, and demanded it from all my subordinates.
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1SG Michael Blount
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I want something like this so bad, I even pay for the construction
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SSG John Bacon
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Yes Absolutely!! Only problem is the Liberal's won't allow that to ever happen again. But you are absolutely correct; you could send a total F-up no discipline soldier there and in about 2 months when you got him back, he would be Squared away for the most part.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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SSG - I'm sure line unit commanders would authorize something like the CCF. I'm pretty sure you could even get away with something like this at Ft Knox, Sill or Benning, where you have male-only training going on. Jackson or Leonard Wood? Forget it.
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PVT DrTravis D Hill
PVT DrTravis D Hill
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(It should have never happened in the first place!
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SGT James Elphick
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The CCF sounds great but our unit was not scared to use the "extra duty" clause of an ART-15, I think some of those guys wished they could have gone to a CCF.
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PVT DrTravis D Hill
PVT DrTravis D Hill
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You are lost, unless you have personal experience from CCF, stop glorifying it!
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SSG N Gi
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As a young sgt I had to send one of mine there
Tried working with him
As I private I was lucky
I could have gotten much worse
Not just Fin up but getting caught
He came out better but just wasn't military
I think k it helped him
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SFC Don Ward
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When did they stop it?? I remember soldiers being sent to Scott Air Force base to CCF in 1989 from Fort Knox, and thought they stopped it about then
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SFC Kevin Ireland
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Most definitely. One of the best 1SG's I ever had spent time in Charlie's Chicken Farm. He credited it with straightening him out enabling him to have a productive career.
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SFC John LaShure
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Bring it back!!!!
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
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Yes. I believe that immediate corrective action at the unit level is best. Depending on the severity of the act. Restriction, extra duty etc and CCF has the added incentive of demonstrating why you fly straight to the rest of your people. But with some exceptions, it should also preclude barring from reenlistment those that just needed direct motivation but were, for the most part, good soldiers.
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