Posted on Dec 1, 2015
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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.

Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.

The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.

This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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SFC (Join to see) - Spoken by a person who has not experienced life in other branches/MOS's.

I have been in both the Infantry and Military Police and have commanded personnel from a wide variety of branches/MOS's/services. I have seen no significant differences in the training and "destruction of bodies" between the various specialties in the Army and, in many instances, in the other services, as well (depending on MOS/specialty).

All military personnel should be equally respected... There is no sense in treating some with higher regard. They are all "true warriors".
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CPL Manuel Castro
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Here here sir
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PO2 Michael Garzon
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Trolls gonna troll. The military is a team sport.
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CPL BamBam Mott
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I went from infantry where I deployed to the korengal, to ammunition spec and ended up in Kuwait after two years in Germany. They are not the same.
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SSG Armor Crew Member
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Or in combat the last 10 years
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LTC David Brown
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Ever read or heard of "Who Packed Your Parachute"? Hot shot navy fighter pilot got shot down in Vietnam . Eventually retired and started being a motivational speaker. After a speech a fellow walked up and ask if he were on a certain aircraft carrier during a certain time off the coast of Vietnam. The pilot said yes I was. The fellow told the pilot, I packed your parachute. The pilot realized how many people he never even thought about made what he did possible. If the fellow packing the chute had been a goof off etc. the pilot wouldn't have been there. When part of the teeth get shot up they (hopefully) are thankful there are skilled medical personnel to put them together, when the aircraft takes off for a parachute insertion I am sure the troopers are glad there is a qualified pilot, the aircraft was serviced by qualified personnel etc. It all works together. That being said I do hold combat arms a higher esteem than other MOS's.
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SSG Bill Coggin
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To caveat off of this, if you were in the 82nd Airborne between 1989-2008 there a good chance that you jumped one of my chutes. Good luck being a paratrooper in the airborne infantry without riggers...p.s. our GT score qualifications are 3x that of infantry. All the way!
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MAJ Jim Steven
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I get what you are saying...but think it wouldn't end well.
We have enough genital measuring in the military as it is...I refer you to the question, on RP, "if you never deployed, are you really a veteran?"
you say that some put in more than others? I respect that some guys sit on a flight line for hours at a time, to jump out of the plane in the middle of the night....but I also respect the guy who sits in a windowless room and stares at imagery all day long to provide the TOC some valuable information about where to jump or who surfs the social media of the middle east trying to predict the next attack...
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SGT Student
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We appreciate the shout out, Sir. We may not be the soldiers on the field, but we are the soldiers gathering information so that you can accomplish your mission. We will always have your backs and attempt to keep you out of harms way and if not out of the way, support you in defeating the enemy at hand. I'm a 35M, HUMINT, and we work with the infantry and military police a lot. I respect everyone as a whole, but I do have a lot of respect for people who are putting their lives on the line everyday in the front lines. I spent some time at Benning and was impressed with the infantry there. Hooah!
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SCPO Joshua I
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The military has a warrior class. Yeah, 11Bs are part of it, but you're not as special as the 75th, you're not as special as the 82nd, you're not as special as the SEAL teams, you're not as special as the USAF CCTs and PJs, you're not as special as a straight stick 0311 Marine, you're not as special as an SBT member, you're not as special as an EOD tech...

And none of those special "warrior class" people can do their jobs if my team doesn't do theirs.

I wrote a JSCM with Combat V for an ET2 once -- know what he did? He went up on a roof under fire and fixed a MK-19 for the Marines who couldn't fix it. He's a communications tech. After he did that, he worked with them to continue to suppress the enemy until they could all be flown out. Does he get to be part of the "warrior class"?

How about PFC Patrick Miller -- the transportation guy who saved Jessica Lynch' life, along with their whole team? Awarded a Silver Star for his actions as I recall, he's a farm kid from not far from my home town. Does he get to be part of the "warrior class" even though he's not an 11B? How about Staff Sergeant Leigh Ann Hester -- does she get to be a part of the "warrior class"? She's an MP in the national guard, women weren't even allowed to be in combat when she earned her Silver Star.

Get off your high horse. This isn't sparta. You're part of a team that should have a single mission focus and should get the job done without a bunch of attempts to divide and pontificate about how much better you are than everybody else.
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SCPO Joe Christian
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Or this guy :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ray_Smith

Pretty sure he was a warrior.
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SGT Mark Shinn
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Just to correct a little error here...

75th and the 82nd... And 101st and 10th Mountain for that matter... Are made up of 11B's, 11C's, 11A's, and 11Z's... They are all Infantry units. Just saying. One is Ranger, one is Airborne, one is Air Assault, and 10th Mountain is Light. So... Yeah... There's that. All Infantry.

Also, 99% of Special Ops in the Army came from Infantry. And they wear the Combat Infantrymans Badge.

I'll leave it at that, because I disagree with the original guy's statement. But your argument in the beginning is moot, really, when half the group's you mentioned are Infantry units filled with 11 series guys.
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SCPO Joshua I
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I'm aware of the composition of the units I named - I've worked with many of them. Most if not all of them have gone on to go through additional selection beyond infantry school, which was my point.
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SGT Mark Shinn
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Just saying... Because I was one of those guys. A grunt is a grunt. Special Ops are different, of course. But the 11 series fills the ranks of most "elite" Army units. If not, the members of the units were, at some point, Infantry. 99% of the time, anyways. Grunts are magical creatures. ;)
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I think the Army should take the same stance as the Marines - EVERYONE is a Rifleman first, they just have other jobs on the side. A comment like this above means they are starting to believing their on press stories. Its take a total force with all specialties to make a solid combined arms team.
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Thats to say your first MOS should be Infantry and all the training that goes with that. Then you split off into other duty qualifying specialties. If we take the mentality of combat forces first, then no matter the situation, your odds are better of success if it all goes south. And it ALWAYS goes south at one point and time. We are just too soft on our Soldiers these days!
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CPO Steelworker
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Yes sir we work the Marines all the time and some of the tactics we use comes from them and we use that concept, that is the way we are set up in military formation and operationally. (Seabees)
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This brings back recent memories from Afghanistan when the Infantry would refuse to leave the FOB's until the our Combat Engineers cleared the way. Just sayin.
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CPO Steelworker
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Well said sir. I am Seabee and we leave the wire all the time to support everyone and in other country's around the world providing civil humanitarian assistance in very hazardous conditions and love doing it to help support the overall mission. Worked with route clearance and if it weren't for them putting themselves on the line every day the battlefield would be total hell and non controllable.
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Hooah
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SSG Daniel Bundy
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Must have been nasty girl infantry. Me and my squad did our own route clearance.
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SSG Daniel Bundy - I wouldn't read too much into my comment. It was mainly a reminder to the poster (who may have been trolling us all) that no branch succeeds by itself.
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SGT Michael Fry
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when I first joined my grandfather (WW2 vet) gave me a bit of advice, he told me while as an infantry man I may be the tip of the spear there are four "men" you will always pay homage to, Your medic, your Cook, your Quartermaster, and your fueler. With out them your just sitting there cold hungry and bleeding. With that in mind I joined and while I was an infantryman I learned my grandfather was right about it but there is a lot more out there that make the mission go right. AS an infantryman you may be the tip of the spear but someone needs to hold that spear to make sure it goes true.
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SGT Carissa Lara, RCS
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Well said!
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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Not going to down-vote this, though it desperately deserves it. You lose the internet for the day. This is so obscenely off message from what the Army is about that I am at a loss for words. I respect everyone for doing their job and for who they are...until the prove otherwise...like you just did.
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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Correct. Right now...in this Army...there is a 2LT who is going to become the Chief of Staff of the Army. Pick him out of the crowd. Same thing for the enlisted. There is a PVT-PV2 who is going to become the SMA.
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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I also find it hard to believe that 124 douche-copters actually up-voted this post.
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COL (Join to see) - Sir, apparently there is a 'part 2' to this where the poster reveals his 'true' intention behind posting something so inflammatory; that this was actually a social experiment to drive the point home about mental health and how such mentality can drive a wedge in the military as an organization. This post here, unfortunately, paints the picture of the Soldier posting as someone who might need some mental health intervention himself...but his second post, where he reveals his 'true intention' does not fare much better since he must have missed the class in Psych 101 that discusses ethics in human subjects testing.
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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Yeah...interesting...FAIL
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SSG Infantryman
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Ha! Do you realize what you have done! Lol.
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SSG Infantryman
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Nope and I seen then hate and animosity before I read it. Nobody can put themselves on a pedestal in the service. But its fun to watch.
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SFC Infantryman
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It is fun to watch.
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SCPO Joshua I
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It's called trolling, I suppose, given that comment.
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PO1 Daniel Coleman
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If this shit is anything other than trolling, this E-7 has a serious chip on his shoulder. As one of the FMF Corpsman you mention in your post, it is ridiculous to think we would ever stoop to this level of immaturity or jump on the high horse with people like you. All Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines are equally important regardless of MOS, NEC, Branch. Never once ran into a Chief in the Navy or a Marine Gunnery Sergeant who acted like this. Unbelievable.
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Growing up and having chores that my brothers and I worked on at the same time we had an understanding that as long as the job gets done it does not matter who did more (one doesn't get more recognition than the other) I brought this mentality into the military with me. If I do less work and the job gets done fine. If I do more work and the job gets done fine. While I do agree that combat arms have the heavier job load we can't do that job without the support units. I didn't join to get medals or special recognition I don't care if you do more or less as long as the job gets done.
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CW2 Intelligence Specialist
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SFC just got shown up by a SPC.

Take note, OP. You could learn a thing or two about humility, honor, duty, and respect from this combat arms junior Soldier.

Most of the "combat arms and operators" I've met already believe they are better than all the other "POGs" out there. Now you want us to worship you? Get over yourself and look to your brothers, like this one, who have true respect for all of their brothers and sisters at arms.
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SGT Carlos Danger
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Pogs gonna pog...
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