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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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I cannot imagine this guy in charge of a non-combat arms unit, they would break the record of most reenlistments to get out of that unit.
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No. All aspects of military exist for a reason. Take out one and all operations will be affected.
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For the record I don't agree with creating a warrior class, but one does already exist.
Regardless of the “everybody gets a trophy” theme I keep seeing on this thread it’s simply not the way it is. Whether in civilian life or in the military people compare and size each other up. Do you think the doctor buying a pack of gum from a 7/11 clerk sees the clerk as his equal? No, of course not, even though they both contribute to society in the jobs they perform. The same goes for the military.
Yes, support is important, but the civilian that manufactures the ammunition we use or the people that make our MRE’s all contribute and are part of the support system. Are they on par with the military members that provide support? I don’t think so, because the service members that are in support missions provide support, but also place their lives at risk.
Now let’s just look at infantry. The mission of the infantry is to close with and destroy the enemy. In other words, when they go outside the wire they’re looking for trouble. Support goes about their jobs, trouble may find them, they respond appropriately and then Charlie Mike. It all comes down to the risks inherent to the job.
Aside from females that are prohibited from certain MOS’s every male had the same opportunity to join a combat arms MOS. Many didn’t and that was their choice, but now want the same recognition as someone that did choose the riskier job.
Even society recognizes this. Why don’t you see movies about 42A or 25U MOS’s?
Just to make it clear, I do respect support MOS’s. I’m in one now. The plain fact is some MOS’s command more respect than others. An honest person with admit this.
Regardless of the “everybody gets a trophy” theme I keep seeing on this thread it’s simply not the way it is. Whether in civilian life or in the military people compare and size each other up. Do you think the doctor buying a pack of gum from a 7/11 clerk sees the clerk as his equal? No, of course not, even though they both contribute to society in the jobs they perform. The same goes for the military.
Yes, support is important, but the civilian that manufactures the ammunition we use or the people that make our MRE’s all contribute and are part of the support system. Are they on par with the military members that provide support? I don’t think so, because the service members that are in support missions provide support, but also place their lives at risk.
Now let’s just look at infantry. The mission of the infantry is to close with and destroy the enemy. In other words, when they go outside the wire they’re looking for trouble. Support goes about their jobs, trouble may find them, they respond appropriately and then Charlie Mike. It all comes down to the risks inherent to the job.
Aside from females that are prohibited from certain MOS’s every male had the same opportunity to join a combat arms MOS. Many didn’t and that was their choice, but now want the same recognition as someone that did choose the riskier job.
Even society recognizes this. Why don’t you see movies about 42A or 25U MOS’s?
Just to make it clear, I do respect support MOS’s. I’m in one now. The plain fact is some MOS’s command more respect than others. An honest person with admit this.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
I also don't agree with 'everyone gets a trophy', in fact that isn't the Marine Corps way. But, to restrict the title of warrior to only infantry ignores the truth that many POGs face the same danger right along with the grunts. When Khe Sanh was under siege, do you think the support people there had some kind of exemption from the danger? Are POGs immune to mortar rounds? Do you think a grunt bayoneting an attacker is somehow more lethal than a bayoneting by the guy who refuels the C130s? The truck driver who has to drive an IED-ridden highway every single day of his deployment just waiting to get blown to pieces is not brave enough for you grunts? Some of these support people spend more days outside the wire than the infantry guys. What you are not getting is that you lack respect. Perhaps you think a warrior class designation will get you that respect that you don't find in yourself. Maybe you became a grunt for all the wrong reasons. I do respect grunts because every Marine is a grunt first. There is only one training-track when you join, not one for grunts and one for POGs like in the Army. I respect my junior brothers who have actual trigger-time, but they respect me back without it because of the emblem on my collar. This topic sure is high-lighting the difference between how Marines view the world and how some other people view the world. In fact, there seems to be a pattern on RP that these topics seem to be always brought up by some soldier. My apologies to the other soldiers here that conduct themselves admirably. This is the problem with giving an award, badge, patch, or medal for everything under the sun, everyone starts thinking their more special as a individual than their team. Inter-service rivalry is fun sport, but dissing the people on your own team is **ed up. Army-of-One
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Two things, 1. The term "warrior" is insulting to me. That is a tribal fighter. I was a soldier, which is higher than a "warrior". More specifically I was a tanker , but I won't digress further talking about us God's chosen children.
2. You have point of sorts about the combat arms. But it is not about respect or anything. By right of being combat arms I was already a special class. But the one thing they really need to do for the combat arms is pay us more (all the time) and compensate us some when we leave. The Combat arms demands learning skills that have no or little value on the outside. So when you leave the service you are at a disadvantage for many jobs compared to the rear echelon. Knowing how to operate weapons of death or fire and maneuver are not marketable skills.
Past that nope, the Combat arms was its own special thing, i don't care if it is respected more or less. Being on the inside meant and means something , I care not if other people understand or not.
2. You have point of sorts about the combat arms. But it is not about respect or anything. By right of being combat arms I was already a special class. But the one thing they really need to do for the combat arms is pay us more (all the time) and compensate us some when we leave. The Combat arms demands learning skills that have no or little value on the outside. So when you leave the service you are at a disadvantage for many jobs compared to the rear echelon. Knowing how to operate weapons of death or fire and maneuver are not marketable skills.
Past that nope, the Combat arms was its own special thing, i don't care if it is respected more or less. Being on the inside meant and means something , I care not if other people understand or not.
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We are the Warrior Class, much in the tradition of the Samurai. Once we understand the fact, that we represent the 1% willing to swear the oath, this kind of internecine argument is worthless. We are one together and must work as such.
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I'll sign off on this....seriously, I think this could have been said a little more "nicer", but I get it. I've had Specialists that served two combat tours in less than four years in the Army then going though intense training befor-between-after deployments.....and I've know senior NCO (not saying it's their fault) that have worked their entire careers as assistants or secretaries to General officers or Divison/Corps level headquarters and have never taken their TA50 out of the plastic. Its not fair, it's never gonna be fair, it's not gonna change, but I get where he is coming from.
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SFC Robert Esquivel, I don't think that it's necessary to create a "warrior class." We are all volunteers, we all have given our lives over to the government to serve as a force to do our Country's bidding. Each branch of service has a mission and a responsibility to keep our citizens safe. I have respect for all of my fellow veterans and active duty personnel. When we all were in basic training we learned to work as a team and to rely upon each other to get the job done. We are only as strong as the weakest link.
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Are you serious cupcake we all put in something weather its physical or mental we all lose brothers we all lose sisters we all serve our country we get hurt we fall down we pick yourself up no matter if your army airforce Navy Marine you're no different than anyone else you're not special cupcake whether you're a Tech sniper infantryman we all put in a part the only respect you deserve is your rank. And the only other reason you should deserve more respect is if you gave the greatest sacrifice. So as a infantryman said to me once suck it up buttercup
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When did the Military go from Team work to an I deserve status? All I know is this we start making this and I thing and it becomes infectious and not in a good way. The only ones that are giving the up most resect are the MOH recipients because they went above what any man or women is Expected to go at the most trying time. As far as we know you take a test and you qualify to pick a job in the military and you promotion are base on your ability to master basic knowledge both in your MOS and soldiering. The United States Military would not be as Great if we go to the I status. We all did and always do our part to stay that way1!1
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Sgt Joseph Baker
All we cared about in the Corps was making the team in the first place. That was enough accomplishment to last a lifetime. You carry that inside every day. No trinket required.
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