Posted on Dec 1, 2015
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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.

Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.

The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.

This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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SFC Pete Kain
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Stupid thread, the Military is the Warrior class of America.
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SSG Section Chief
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I am a 13B and have deployed 3 times 1 to iraq and 2 to the stan. All three times i have done patrols and fought the enemy earned a purple heart and lost brothers and delivered some real pain to the enemys of my country. I am not infantry but in this days wars we have been used along with other MOS in this way for the entirety of this war and i have never regretted it. But if you say just infantry and operators then your are sadly mistaken on the dynamics of our current battfield you should do some research before making comments that hold no weight
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CPT Retired
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I am a mustang officer. I was Infantry enlisted and Armor as an officer. I served in combat as an NCO and a Officer. I earned both the CIB and CAB. I say this, not to toot my horn, but to give context to my comment.
I think that the Infantry plays a very special role in the military. It is the Queen of Battle for a reason (think Chess). it is the only branch whose main mission is to close with and destroy the enemy. Other combat arms and combat service and support branches are also exposed to danger on a regular basis, but they are not tasked with the same purpose as the Infantry.
All that said, I don't remember ever hearing one 11 or 19 series soldier ever give respect by POG's as a reason for serving in their respective branches (I use this two branches only because they are the ones I served with in Iraq).
To demand respect by others is a bit much. It is earned, not demanded. The Infantry and combat arms guys already know they are the warrior class. We don't need recognition from others. In fact, the sina quon non of our branches is not to give a crap what others outside of them think.
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SN Greg Wright
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CPT (Join to see) So I'm curious, Captain. What do you say to the Naval Fire Controlman who can push a button -- just ONE Sailor, mind you -- and annihilate 300 infantrymen. Does THAT service member deserve respect? Where does the 'Queen of Battle' theory fall then?
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Look, I have nothing but respect for anyone that puts on a uniform. I thank you for your service. My comment was a dig at that soldier whining about havin respect. You didn't pick up on it but, I'm sure he did.
As to your question directly, no, I do not consider a person who sits behind a computer screen and pushes a bottom that then fires off and travels miles before hitting its intended target a warrior in the same class as Infantrymen.
You sit behind that computer and never see nor personally experience the horrors of what you do. You face very little danger from the forces we are currently involved with. You sleep in a bunk and eat freshly cooked meals. You have access to clean clothes, water and don't really have to worry much about the oppressive heat or cold in your nice operations room you sit in. You don't have to train for hours on end on the intricacies of tactics or become an expert in the use of your weapons. Other than the technical training to push that little button and hpw to ensure you don't kill the wrong 300 Infantrymen, I doubt that you receive much training in the field of dismounted combat operations. You don't jump a rucksack that weighs half your body weight for miles on end while wearing 50lbs of personal protective gear up and down the hills and mountains of Afghanistan. You don't have to see your buddies laying on the ground in a pool of their own blood after being hit with an IED, or shot, or stabbed! So no, SN Greg White, I don't consider you one of the warrior class. I don't think less of you for it, but you are not one of us!
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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CPT (Join to see) - While my limited field training was sufficient to cause me to respect grunts, the truth is artillery fire historically kills far more enemy than grunts ever do. Add in the downpour of JDAMs and basically you grunts only kill a fraction of the enemy. So, while you already have the respect of everyone here, you over-play your hand IMHO like the grunt who started this thread, just not to the same degree. Oh, and let us not forget that pretty much all our grunts since Vietnam have served under a blanket of airborne protection so they generally don't have to worry about being bombed from the above, and have ready access to bombs dropped on anyone who tries to lob mortars on you for more than 5 minutes, so in that regard you face far less danger than your predecessors.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
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We already have a Warrior Class - the Combat Arms. We all know that and I don't think we need to remind ourselves, but we all play our part. I remember when I was a Cavalry Troop Commander and I assigned one of my Platoon Leaders to run the Mortar Range. My Executive Officer told me that not everyone goes through mortar training during the Armor Officer Basic Course anymore. I couldn't believe it, that type of training is what distinguishes us. However, we learn many things from other branches as well.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Sgt Joseph Baker
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What's your definition of Combat Arms? Certainly our sailors have often faced direct danger on the high seas or loitering offshore to provide supporting fire, so are they not warriors? How about our pilots that circle the battle space with the constant threat that some grunt has a man pad and can blow them out of the sky at any moment? I could go on all day with examples of support people that face real danger every day to make sure you can make a call and get what you need, and they don't have the benefit necessarily of all the extra practice you get with close quarter combat when they face their moment of truth, are they not brave warriors? Yeah, I know what it is like to pack 100 lbs of gear for 20 miles up and down every hill in the immediate area when you weigh only 130 lbs. yourself, which makes one very fit, but that isn't the measure of a warrior.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
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I agree that there are many Combat Support and Combat Service Support Soldiers/Marines/Airmen that also face similar danger to Combat Arms counterparts. But, we define Combat Arms as those Military Occupational Specialties (MOS)that close with and destroy the enemy, and they traditionally are more likely to face those dangers to a greater degree. The asymmetric battlefield that we faced in Iraq, has changed the probability of facing hostile fire because all MOS now transit the same areas because the enemy is all around us, and there is no traditional front and rear lines.
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CPO Kenneth Wilkinson
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As a non-warrior and being retired Navy I believe there should be a higher class. A pencil pusher should not be equal in pay. For me, I would pay anyone who is in a combatant a higher salary. Maybe add a third more to base pay and when deployed continue paying extra pays for being in combat. People getting paid should pull the trigger, push the button on a helo, drive the tanks etc. Sitting in a tent with the colonel does not count. Of course, what I am saying will not happen unless the government decides that the military is needed. Under the admin. we are in now and this Congress, this dream will never happen. You want the best, you pay the best and when hurt pay for their healthcare 100%. The promises I had when I joined in 1976 was that healthcare would be free for me and my family after I retired. LOL Be careful out there, Congress is willing to destroy any promise given as we see now. Congress though never looses anything.
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
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Raising pay for CA troops would of course be welcome by them but would it help recruitment? I don't know. I suspect that it really wouldn't because no one I know ever joined for the paycheck. I would like to see it tried though.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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They do get paid extra, it's called Combat Pay. There are plenty of guys who reenlist and volunteer to be deployed for that very reason. I know a Ranger who got out after two tours in Iraq and rejoined and redeployed because he was doing pretty well on the combat pay incentives he got when he was in Iraq.
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GySgt Information Assurance Technician
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There already is a military warrior class, it's called U.S. Marines. From the first moments recruits set foot in boot camp, they are taught that they are joining elite American warrior culture. It is in their doctrine that Marines are all rifleman first, and MOS specification second. Ask any Marine what is their occupation, and their first response will be "Marine". They are drilled in their battle history, and can have memorized it by heart. They refuse creature comforts and choose to live disciplined, austere (by most military branches standards) lifestyles. They firmly believe that "Once a Marine, Always Marine" because they earned their title, and it remains with them forever. This is probably what some may consider propaganda or brainwashing, but the Marine warrior class is a real thing. The Marine Corps may have invented it, but their enemies and the American public have confirmed it.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Sgt Joseph Baker
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Well said Gunny.
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Capt Developmental Engineer
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I was a Combat Medic in the Army... long before my commision as an AF ofgicer. I was deployed twice to South America. Take it from me... EVERYBODY BLEEDS! So everyone ultimately shares the same risk.

I dont need any special recognition beyond the self-respect I gained by realizing I was proud and capable to do my job... and had the gratitude of my country for doing so.

Everyone in the service deserves the same recognition and respect.

A warrior is not only the one who fought... but also the one who willingly stood between danger ad what he loves.
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SSG Trevor S.
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I voted you down for oozing arrogance.
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LTC Acquisition Intelligence
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SFC E...as a former infantry NCO (who now you would say is not a "true warrior"), I cannot believe such an immature opinion is coming from a senior leader. My opinion (which you obviously disagree with) is that you are way off base, and should seriously consider your opinions before sharing them again.
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SPC Pedro Diaz
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I believe ever soldier should do infantry for 2 years before specializing in what ever they want to do in the military, that would make us a great army
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