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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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I was an 11B2H and I am going to respectfully disagree. We are a Combined Arms force: Armor, Artillery, Infantry, Special Operations, Aviation, Combat Engineers, etc... At any time everyone one of us may be called to pick up a rifle
And Stand To. Rather than claim one branch or group is better than the others how about we encourage each other to maintain warfighter skills across the board.
And Stand To. Rather than claim one branch or group is better than the others how about we encourage each other to maintain warfighter skills across the board.
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I'm a Marine, I'm a retired Guardsman, I've studied Budo for 30 some years. I am a warrior. A little pudgy now, inside I'm still that 18 year old Marine.
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Yet that is EXACTLY what is is, a put down of not only other MOS's but a put down of your sister services. Each member of the various services has their job to do. Sometimes that job is putting ordinance on target and sometimes is making sure the shooter get the beans, bullets and band-aids he needs to continue putting iron on foreheads. And we all need the money guys to make sure we get paid on time. Just because soldier one is a bullet catcher and soldier two is a dental assistant doesn't mean he/she gives any less to the effort.
This is the type of attitude I would almost expect from PVT Snuffy or maybe PFC Dufflebag. But I hold Sr NCOs to a higher standard and would expect someone who has attained the status of Sr. NCO to understand each soldier, sailor, airman or Marine contributes to the mission.
This is the type of attitude I would almost expect from PVT Snuffy or maybe PFC Dufflebag. But I hold Sr NCOs to a higher standard and would expect someone who has attained the status of Sr. NCO to understand each soldier, sailor, airman or Marine contributes to the mission.
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I believe some of you are missing something. First, we should acknowledge that every individual has some level of personal need to feel its THEM and THEIR JOB that is the most mission-critical one. This is something of a fundamental human design flaw...but it what it is.
Secondly and more importantly, there are vast differences between those who serve by doing the safest and least risky/deployable jobs only to latch onto future college money...and those willing to takebon maximum potential risk because they are in it for the cause and less interested in the personal gain.
Consider this a refresher course on the definition of "respect" in the contextbof this discussion. Seems to me there are a lotnof people who want fancy valorous awards without daring to put themselves into positions where they would ever see such opportunities to need to do anything but the bare minimums.
Personally I find the Grunt VS POG argument to be rather silly. However there arent many other measures of potential self-sacrifice aside from the Grunt Life.
We know the usual point being made aboutbit taking 9 POGs to support each Grunt. Nobody is really arguing that. But the part often left out...is that the fundamental purpose of the military IS the combat arms element. Its not Grunts are needed because of what POGs do...its POGs are needed because of what Grunts do. And the notion of valor begins with the willingness/desire to put country before self and not shying away from personal risk.
Im sure most POGs will take offense to this. Its rather expected from those too scared to handle the dirtier work. Pushing pencils and pushing enemy lines backward aren't even in the same ballpark of work. As most military believe that civilians should show some respect/gratitude for what we military collectively do...its the Grunts ensuring the POGs enjoy those same benefits. Every POG had an opportunity to be a Grunt. And for those career-minded, doing your stint of Grunt time probably should be done while you are younger...as it both likely makes you more promotable later on, as well as gives you better insight as to just what exactly it may be that POGs are supporting. If some folks were " too scared" to consider any Grunt time...fine...but it shouldnt be much to ask to give a little respect to those whom were not.
As the saying goes...Everyone wants to be a Hero until its time to do some Hero-shit.
Semper Fi.
Secondly and more importantly, there are vast differences between those who serve by doing the safest and least risky/deployable jobs only to latch onto future college money...and those willing to takebon maximum potential risk because they are in it for the cause and less interested in the personal gain.
Consider this a refresher course on the definition of "respect" in the contextbof this discussion. Seems to me there are a lotnof people who want fancy valorous awards without daring to put themselves into positions where they would ever see such opportunities to need to do anything but the bare minimums.
Personally I find the Grunt VS POG argument to be rather silly. However there arent many other measures of potential self-sacrifice aside from the Grunt Life.
We know the usual point being made aboutbit taking 9 POGs to support each Grunt. Nobody is really arguing that. But the part often left out...is that the fundamental purpose of the military IS the combat arms element. Its not Grunts are needed because of what POGs do...its POGs are needed because of what Grunts do. And the notion of valor begins with the willingness/desire to put country before self and not shying away from personal risk.
Im sure most POGs will take offense to this. Its rather expected from those too scared to handle the dirtier work. Pushing pencils and pushing enemy lines backward aren't even in the same ballpark of work. As most military believe that civilians should show some respect/gratitude for what we military collectively do...its the Grunts ensuring the POGs enjoy those same benefits. Every POG had an opportunity to be a Grunt. And for those career-minded, doing your stint of Grunt time probably should be done while you are younger...as it both likely makes you more promotable later on, as well as gives you better insight as to just what exactly it may be that POGs are supporting. If some folks were " too scared" to consider any Grunt time...fine...but it shouldnt be much to ask to give a little respect to those whom were not.
As the saying goes...Everyone wants to be a Hero until its time to do some Hero-shit.
Semper Fi.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Dear Brother, you know the Marine Corps history. It is heavily-laden with the exploits of the infantry. It is also laden with the exploits of POGs as well. In the Corps everyone is part of the Combat Arms, whether that is in the air, on the sea or land. You know that our 'support' people are often based right next to the grunts so we can provide what the battle requires beyond grunts. Because of this there are many, many battles where the cooks were shooting and stabbing right along with the grunts. Once the shooting and stabbing ceased long enough, they went back to all the things they were previously doing to assist the grunts. Places like Khe Sanh where every single person on that hill was a grunt regardless of MOS. There were grunts who risked their lives to save their pals and there were supply guys who did the same. For these reasons you find yourself about the only Marine here to speak this way. I surely hope you are not speaking to your brothers and sisters. No one who ever earned the title Marine was someone who was doing just the minimum.
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do you want to knight them too........ just no, the grunt in the field would be lost without all the support elements. That isn't meant to downplay their role at the tip of the spear but be are successful be we function as a team. The one thing that set the Marines apart from the other services is that they are fully integrated. Everyone exists to support the grunt and as a team they get the job down. The other services work together on an as needed basis but adding a warrior class would just add class hierarchy that would not benefit anyone in the long term.
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If you are looking for glory then you are probably right. Rounds don't discrimate and every service member contributes to a winning team and are equally in danger and important as any combat arms sm. I wonder what your response would be to a sm that could possibly be saving your life on an operating table.
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You need to write for Duffeblog, Sergeant.
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If you're demanding respect, you probably the type of person who doesn't deserve it. You earn respect not demand it. Get off your high horse and earn it.
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