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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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11B: Infantryman
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SFC Robert Esquivel,
With all due respect, I have no clue what you are asking. We are/were ALL warriors. Yes, 11B troops go on to more intensive physical activity than say me, as a 24K10, then a 24K30. I was an electronics technician in ADA units. Those assignments however were all over the world and the U.S. and NOT physically demanding. But please, stop to think for a moment about the mental prowess we had to have to have kept 4 missile batteries "UP" and in a "Green Status", hundreds of modules that required constant tuning on a test bed that was 8' wide and 5' tall in a hardened "shell" that could act as fire control and loaded on a deuce & a 1/2 for mobility. It took 4 radars and 3 launchers with 3 missiles each plus the control shells to complete an entire battery. Mental Stress is as demanding on the human body as is physical stress. 11B BN's were "behind us" until we cleared the skies. We too, are/were WARRIORS. You have no valid question. Every MOS is a warrior class.
Thank You,
Rick
With all due respect, I have no clue what you are asking. We are/were ALL warriors. Yes, 11B troops go on to more intensive physical activity than say me, as a 24K10, then a 24K30. I was an electronics technician in ADA units. Those assignments however were all over the world and the U.S. and NOT physically demanding. But please, stop to think for a moment about the mental prowess we had to have to have kept 4 missile batteries "UP" and in a "Green Status", hundreds of modules that required constant tuning on a test bed that was 8' wide and 5' tall in a hardened "shell" that could act as fire control and loaded on a deuce & a 1/2 for mobility. It took 4 radars and 3 launchers with 3 missiles each plus the control shells to complete an entire battery. Mental Stress is as demanding on the human body as is physical stress. 11B BN's were "behind us" until we cleared the skies. We too, are/were WARRIORS. You have no valid question. Every MOS is a warrior class.
Thank You,
Rick
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Sorry, I do not buy your argument. Everyone that is actively serving, or a veteran, deserves respect. What are we suppose to do; bow when ever we are in the presence of a "True Warrior?" Any MOS can be called upon to pick up arms at any time. In my book, you have to earn respect if you want to be treated with respect.
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Seriously? How were you even able to post this? A close friend of mine, a CI guy, spent more time off the camp then we did conducting activities. So in his defense and those like him, you should go f#%^ yourself.
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This is a slippery slope that you are suggesting. If put in place, it reminds me of the train of thought from North Korea. And we all know how well that's working. Personally I think the idea is asinine. There is already enough of a divide between grunts and pogues or pogs or whatever you call them these days. If you were serious about this, you would be suggesting that all soldiers go through infantry training school, and then they could go on to MOS specific training. But I am a Marine that's been out 25 years, so what do I know?
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Sgt Joseph Baker
I am starting my own group of Avionics Warriors, and we will forever refer to everyone else and POATs (People Other than Avionics Technicians). No grunt that has not completed our entire training program will not be recognized as true warriors. Oh, wait, I'm a Marine, we don't have sub-clubs. Damn! The Army has all the fun clubs!
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Our Army 11-series and Marine 03-series are taught to think that way because it is what is necessary to build the espirit de corps and brotherhood that makes people willing to walk and run towards bullets. We ask them to defy logic and self-preservation instincts. They must believe they are the baddest MF-er in the valley.
Take it for what it's worth - but no one can insult or offend you without you choosing to be insulted or offended. Look at why it bothers you so much. I'm a retired Intel guy and I'm not offended.
Take it for what it's worth - but no one can insult or offend you without you choosing to be insulted or offended. Look at why it bothers you so much. I'm a retired Intel guy and I'm not offended.
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Great post. I’ve been in many formations(infantry units) when senior leaders spoke down of pogs and implied we were bigger, badder, and better than all others. It’s the mindset we need. Maybe things have changed. We do live in a time where everyone is offended by everything and everyone gets a trophy. For all the talk on this site about political correctness, so many here are and can’t admit it. The younger generations have been conditioned to be soft and PC.
Great post. I’ve been in many formations(infantry units) when senior leaders spoke down of pogs and implied we were bigger, badder, and better than all others. It’s the mindset we need. Maybe things have changed. We do live in a time where everyone is offended by everything and everyone gets a trophy. For all the talk on this site about political correctness, so many here are and can’t admit it. The younger generations have been conditioned to be soft and PC.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Yes, but Marine grunts also know that their POG Marines also get deployed to forward areas that get attacked and everyone swinging dick is expected to grab his rifle and jump in a foxhole. Places like Khe Sanh ring a bell?
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See my comment below. You have a serious EGO and self worth problem and most likely need serious counseling.
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I cannot imagine this guy in charge of a non-combat arms unit, they would break the record of most reenlistments to get out of that unit.
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No. All aspects of military exist for a reason. Take out one and all operations will be affected.
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For the record I don't agree with creating a warrior class, but one does already exist.
Regardless of the “everybody gets a trophy” theme I keep seeing on this thread it’s simply not the way it is. Whether in civilian life or in the military people compare and size each other up. Do you think the doctor buying a pack of gum from a 7/11 clerk sees the clerk as his equal? No, of course not, even though they both contribute to society in the jobs they perform. The same goes for the military.
Yes, support is important, but the civilian that manufactures the ammunition we use or the people that make our MRE’s all contribute and are part of the support system. Are they on par with the military members that provide support? I don’t think so, because the service members that are in support missions provide support, but also place their lives at risk.
Now let’s just look at infantry. The mission of the infantry is to close with and destroy the enemy. In other words, when they go outside the wire they’re looking for trouble. Support goes about their jobs, trouble may find them, they respond appropriately and then Charlie Mike. It all comes down to the risks inherent to the job.
Aside from females that are prohibited from certain MOS’s every male had the same opportunity to join a combat arms MOS. Many didn’t and that was their choice, but now want the same recognition as someone that did choose the riskier job.
Even society recognizes this. Why don’t you see movies about 42A or 25U MOS’s?
Just to make it clear, I do respect support MOS’s. I’m in one now. The plain fact is some MOS’s command more respect than others. An honest person with admit this.
Regardless of the “everybody gets a trophy” theme I keep seeing on this thread it’s simply not the way it is. Whether in civilian life or in the military people compare and size each other up. Do you think the doctor buying a pack of gum from a 7/11 clerk sees the clerk as his equal? No, of course not, even though they both contribute to society in the jobs they perform. The same goes for the military.
Yes, support is important, but the civilian that manufactures the ammunition we use or the people that make our MRE’s all contribute and are part of the support system. Are they on par with the military members that provide support? I don’t think so, because the service members that are in support missions provide support, but also place their lives at risk.
Now let’s just look at infantry. The mission of the infantry is to close with and destroy the enemy. In other words, when they go outside the wire they’re looking for trouble. Support goes about their jobs, trouble may find them, they respond appropriately and then Charlie Mike. It all comes down to the risks inherent to the job.
Aside from females that are prohibited from certain MOS’s every male had the same opportunity to join a combat arms MOS. Many didn’t and that was their choice, but now want the same recognition as someone that did choose the riskier job.
Even society recognizes this. Why don’t you see movies about 42A or 25U MOS’s?
Just to make it clear, I do respect support MOS’s. I’m in one now. The plain fact is some MOS’s command more respect than others. An honest person with admit this.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
I also don't agree with 'everyone gets a trophy', in fact that isn't the Marine Corps way. But, to restrict the title of warrior to only infantry ignores the truth that many POGs face the same danger right along with the grunts. When Khe Sanh was under siege, do you think the support people there had some kind of exemption from the danger? Are POGs immune to mortar rounds? Do you think a grunt bayoneting an attacker is somehow more lethal than a bayoneting by the guy who refuels the C130s? The truck driver who has to drive an IED-ridden highway every single day of his deployment just waiting to get blown to pieces is not brave enough for you grunts? Some of these support people spend more days outside the wire than the infantry guys. What you are not getting is that you lack respect. Perhaps you think a warrior class designation will get you that respect that you don't find in yourself. Maybe you became a grunt for all the wrong reasons. I do respect grunts because every Marine is a grunt first. There is only one training-track when you join, not one for grunts and one for POGs like in the Army. I respect my junior brothers who have actual trigger-time, but they respect me back without it because of the emblem on my collar. This topic sure is high-lighting the difference between how Marines view the world and how some other people view the world. In fact, there seems to be a pattern on RP that these topics seem to be always brought up by some soldier. My apologies to the other soldiers here that conduct themselves admirably. This is the problem with giving an award, badge, patch, or medal for everything under the sun, everyone starts thinking their more special as a individual than their team. Inter-service rivalry is fun sport, but dissing the people on your own team is **ed up. Army-of-One
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