Posted on Mar 5, 2014
Should the military grant a 4 year "General Studies" degree to soldiers whom have served in the Armed Forces?
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I am currently working with a LTC who is pursuing his PhD and at current, is posing a question for a research paper about the military partnering with higher education institutions with the question above.
In an economy with a financial crisis, and knowing that a four-year degree is starting to become the “standard” certification for employment beyond the military, should the military actively push this initiative?
I know from my experiences, working on the civilian government side, that it is virtually impossible to switch to a GS grade job without a degree. With all of the training and education that the Armed Forces provide for its SMs should that equate to an earned degree after service? If so, why? And how long should
the soldier serve before earning a “general studies” degree?
In an economy with a financial crisis, and knowing that a four-year degree is starting to become the “standard” certification for employment beyond the military, should the military actively push this initiative?
I know from my experiences, working on the civilian government side, that it is virtually impossible to switch to a GS grade job without a degree. With all of the training and education that the Armed Forces provide for its SMs should that equate to an earned degree after service? If so, why? And how long should
the soldier serve before earning a “general studies” degree?
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The issue with degrees is the accreditation. Any university and/or college can say “get your XYZ degree with us because we’re accredited!” Yes, OK. But accredited by whom? This is the fundamental flaw of the online/private college market that targets the military for their degrees. Anyone pursuing higher education should first look at the accrediting body and go from there. I promise, almost every Human Resources office in corporate America knows the difference.
A safe bet is to always go with a state public university. Most accept TA and the GI Bill and offer night/non-traditional schedules just like the online diploma mill colleges. AND they are cheaper more respected AND offer a better education. The only drawback is they expect you to earn their degree(s).
A safe bet is to always go with a state public university. Most accept TA and the GI Bill and offer night/non-traditional schedules just like the online diploma mill colleges. AND they are cheaper more respected AND offer a better education. The only drawback is they expect you to earn their degree(s).
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Like most others here, I don't agree that a 4-year, "general studies" degree should be easily given out to military members just because they served. In what way would one be qualified to either confer a degree or would it be from just one random college or many different ones? In all my time in the Army, both National Guard and Active Duty, I have never seen any circumstance that would teach an Infantry soldier, chemistry or a soldier in the Engineer Corps, Philosophy. Likewise, I can't understand for the life of me why most don't pursue a degree with their free time versus wasting their paychecks on partying excessively. To each their own, I guess. Unfortunately, there are the few out there that ultimately place the blame on a soldier's command or leadership. I am here to say that this couldn't be more false and nothing short of an excuse. While I do somewhat agree with the notion that a young soldier should be mentored properly, I also believe that the same soldier should assume most of the responsibility for their future success in life.
My point in this is that when I first enlisted in the National Guard many years ago, I took to heart what was stressed to me at the time by some "old-timers". They told me that I should try my best to preserve my GI Bill for after I leave the service (or as they put it, " my in case of emergency school fund") and get my degree using the tuition assistance while serving. I am so glad that I took the time then to utilize what knowledge was bestowed upon me.
I am curious though, why couldn't the Army and/ or maybe other branches look at the Air Force's Community College model for training schools? I think that it might a good idea to not only centralize the schooling but allow for an expanded educational model for learning. What are your thoughts?
My point in this is that when I first enlisted in the National Guard many years ago, I took to heart what was stressed to me at the time by some "old-timers". They told me that I should try my best to preserve my GI Bill for after I leave the service (or as they put it, " my in case of emergency school fund") and get my degree using the tuition assistance while serving. I am so glad that I took the time then to utilize what knowledge was bestowed upon me.
I am curious though, why couldn't the Army and/ or maybe other branches look at the Air Force's Community College model for training schools? I think that it might a good idea to not only centralize the schooling but allow for an expanded educational model for learning. What are your thoughts?
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Yes I was signal and I learned a lot skills you can't get just out there. Specialty skills should come with specialty rewards...
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Such a degree would have no value whatsoever on the job market. That idea need to end of in the circular file cabinet.
Nope. I do not want my degree that I busted as for tainted by the "giveaway " degree initiative.
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SGT Terry Whittington
no. A general studies degree requires more than experience. four years in the military is not the type of education that transfers.
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SGT Jason Anderson
Sgt Ray Britt - You can now transfer military experience for educational credit. But the idea that a stint in the military is equivalent to a 4 year (or even a 2 year, for that matter) education is ridiculous. I have grown more pursuing my 4 year degree than I did in 15 years in the military...
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The more we hand out education for experience (which isn't equal and often not evaluated) the more we water down the value of an college degree. The Army provides more than enough opportunities to pursue and fund a college education. Plus if we do give a Bachelor degree for just serving, this by rule will keep a Soldier from pursuing a bachelor degree in their field of interest since pursuing a degree at the same level will not be paid for.
Frankly, I've known some soldiers that ETSd after 4 years as the same idiot the were when they came in, only with shinier boots. No, a degree should NOT be awarded simply for being a soldier.
Afterthought: If a degree were awarded after an enlistment, wouldn't pretty much anyone would qualify to be an officer after that enlistment? (after OCS, of course)
Afterthought: If a degree were awarded after an enlistment, wouldn't pretty much anyone would qualify to be an officer after that enlistment? (after OCS, of course)
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1LT (Join to see), that's a good question. I think granting a 4-year degree for military service is a bit much. I did get undergraduate credit for some of my military training (47-week DLI Polish course, MOS training, etc.), and I think that's the appropriate way to grant college credit for military training. To give someone a degree for serving a particular period of time in the military seems over the top to me.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
I believe that anyone who has served a career or term in the military should receive college credit for the training we received and underwent. I also believe we should get college credit for Nuclear Power School and Prototype.
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No, because the military will pay for your higher education 100%. Just because you go through a tech school or AIT, does not mean you deserve an undergrad degree or even an associates degree. Also, real world experience cannot be measured through objective means.
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