Posted on Mar 11, 2014
Should the new Army Instructor Badge be available to all Instructors, not just NCOES personnel?
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As of right now the Army Instructor Badge is only availible to NCOES SGL/Instructors. There has been no mention of AIT/IET Instructors or Specialty Instructors (Airborne, Air Assult)recieving this. Does anyone have any information on this or know of a change that is coming out?
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Personally I want the Army to move to a more Marine like approach to uniforms.
No patches, no badges, no identifiers, etc.
Just a name tape and U.S. ARMY (just ACUs, dress can stay the same) sown on without the Velcro nonsense.
No patches, no badges, no identifiers, etc.
Just a name tape and U.S. ARMY (just ACUs, dress can stay the same) sown on without the Velcro nonsense.
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folks check out the message on March 14th of 2015 talking about authorization for where of the army instructor bad for all individuals who fit the qualifications. Simply attending Army basic instructor course does not authorize where of the badge. You must meet other specific requirements. You must be observed using the appropriate observation form has approved by training and Doctrine Command. Your badge can be revoked.
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Folks, the badger is authorized fir wear of all Army Instructors provided they meet the guidance in the now outdated(and under revising). simply attending the army instructor course does not authorize wear of the badge. It doesn't surprise you the SQI 8. being awarded the badge further requires more courses and being observed under the new trade arc observation form. The badge can be revoked if you are Observed with this form. The
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The Badge was designed for Small Group Leaders at NCOES school who facilitate instead of teaching. Soldiers can up with the standards and design.
Instead of complaining, figure out how to get the recognition and possible crate a standard and badge for "regular" instructors.
Instead of complaining, figure out how to get the recognition and possible crate a standard and badge for "regular" instructors.
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Just wondering if anyone has heard of a new milper message authorizing all instructors to wear the badge. The only message I could find was 14-058 which only authorizes NCOES Instructors.
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Throwing this one out there skill identifier of 8R, 8J both MRT related should they apply, I hold both but as a facilitator join training teams to train new MRT's to go back to their units
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Ok throw another one out there ASI of 8R, 8J both associated with MRT levels 1 and 2, should they be eligible?
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I was a Senior Training Manager for the 12B/12C courses and also a 25B10 Instructor. My 2 cents worth is that it should be for any 8 identifier qualified Soldier that has had or has an approved Instructor packet for a ATRRS course. The instructor packet means that you not only have the 8 identifier, CTC (cadre training course), passed an APFT, other local requirements and also passes 2 evaluations of the POIs that you are to teach. A course has TSP (training support package) is made up of POIs (periods of instruction) and has to be approved from the school house through TRADOC.
You never know how hard or easy 1 persons job is until you worked in that job and maybe even around the same time. An AIT instructor by the Army is an Instructor/Writer and Squad leader but it wasn’t always that way. Depending on what School House/ Unit you are in, the way that is conducted can be very different. If there is going to be a Instructor badge then it should be for all Instructors, otherwise change the name so people don’t get confused.
You never know how hard or easy 1 persons job is until you worked in that job and maybe even around the same time. An AIT instructor by the Army is an Instructor/Writer and Squad leader but it wasn’t always that way. Depending on what School House/ Unit you are in, the way that is conducted can be very different. If there is going to be a Instructor badge then it should be for all Instructors, otherwise change the name so people don’t get confused.
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First off BIG Army needs to change the "Instructor/Writer" title to either "Instructor" or "Writer". There are regular AIT Cadre that have the Instructor/Writer title and do not write ANY thing. So unless you work for a MACOM writing POI/MOI's then you can have the "Writer" title, and everyone else that has completed all the required training for the "Instructor" title be granted to wear the badge.
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I don't know where you encountered that SSG Workman. I am currently an Instructor for the 25B course and I have had multiple opportunities to help write and rewrite our POI as well as creating new test. Granted not everyone has a chance to but it is something that if required the Instructor should know how to do.
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SSG Plato, if you actually do Instruct AND Write then yes you should have that title. But if you only do one or the other then have that title, that's my opinion But come to Fort Benning and you will see Instructors that only instruct and do not write anything for POI/MOI, but are quick with a type of the keyboard to put that on their NCOER as they are an "Instructor/Writer"
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SSG Workman, that also depends on which AIT/ASI that you instruct. Because here at the Ordance Training Division on FT. Benning Instructors do write, and make corrections to there TSPs. Then they submit them to CASCOM for approval.
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They should not be writing them that is what the SME is for. So something tells me some one down where you are is not doing their job. Yes the Instructors should find areas and notice the mistakes if they are any. But actually writing the whole thing should not be for everyone. Us on the ALC side I know have wrote our whole lesson with our SME. We proof everything, test it etc. He makes changes and then submits them to CASCOM. Every one should not be submitting to CASCOM.
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As an the Senior Instructor for the Engineer Senior Leader Course, and one who is not concerned with this badge at all, I think if a lot of you other instructors knew the paperwork involved and the evaluations that have to be done (which are based on the Army Learning Model, not death by powerpoint), and how much of an overall pain it is to get them, you really wouldn't be interested in getting one. My next statement may offend some, but oh well. The only people I've seen so far who care about them or really want to get one are those who are tab/badge hunters and spotlight rangers. If you walk through the NCOA here at Ft. Leonard Wood, which if I'm not mistaken, is the largest NCOA in the Army (EN, MP, CBRN, WLC, and some ORD) and ask our best and brightest instructors, nobody even wanted it to start with, much less cares about getting one. They are too involved with their courses and teaching students to worry about another badge.
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I know the ALM is being more widely used and implemented across the Army, but it isn't everywhere yet, nor will it ever be. There are some courses that will never be able to teach by it. I also think that a lot of the people talking about the badges don't realize that. In order to get the badge, you have to be evaluated by the ALM method of teaching, not death by powerpoint. For your point on promotion, I think being an instructor should carry some extra weight. Maybe not as much as a recruiter or a DS, but it should be a career enhancing assignment, not a detractor (unless you spend your whole career in TRADOC and are never on the line). With that though, you have the instructor identification on your SRB (ERC), which is seen by the boards, so why do we need a badge for it?
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As far as being evaluated using the ALM method. Anyone can practice that enough and conduct a class that can be evaluated when the time comes, much like any Instructor of the Month/Quarter Board. I don't know why they came out with the badge. I believe that the leadership was trying to distinguish the Instructor position and bring it to a level that is equal to DS and Recruiter hence the badge.
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Sir, that is true. DS, Recruiter and IET Instructor are all completely different jobs. I will say that all of them are essential for our new Soldiers to learn and integrate into the military. All three have a critical role that must be done in order for that Soldier to thrive during their enlistment.
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They came out with the badge to indeed do that. Bring u to the DS/Recruiter level. The Army is in need of Instructors as a whole. Just certain positions are being held higher then others. IE WLC/ALC.SLC instructors are being held higher then IET Instructors. For one simply they are harder to instruct then IET level task. For ALC we teach all schematics of the M1A2SEPV2 tank. Not all Instructors have what it takes to teach that. Its been prove over and over. We also teach common core as well. I also send more time teaching ALC being on average 16 hour days then EIT.
I also spent a year doing AIT and it was hands down way easier. basically 9-5. Teach basic knowledge skill set. Really don't even have to be a good tank mechanic to teach it. That don't get you by in our ALC. If you don't know the above I talked about you will not be able to instruct.
I also spent a year doing AIT and it was hands down way easier. basically 9-5. Teach basic knowledge skill set. Really don't even have to be a good tank mechanic to teach it. That don't get you by in our ALC. If you don't know the above I talked about you will not be able to instruct.
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