Posted on Jan 25, 2017
Should the US military be used to enforce law and order and quell the protests against President Trump?
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Edit: I posted this as a little experiment. There was a similar discussion asking whether American soldiers would fire on American citizens due to the riots that were taking place. I had responded that the Posse Comitatus prohibited that, much like many of you did. However, I was unconvinced that most of the respondents "No's" had to do with an obligation to their fellow citizens and more to do with their dislike of the Obama administration. I hypothesized that it was the latter and posted this question to test that theory. Turns out you all pleasantly surprised me and proved me wrong. Thank you for that. I'm sure this post will continue to generate discussion though.
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
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This is the very reason we have the Guard in each state, guard member are sworn in to protect and defend the state and follow the orders of the Governor. We serve under Title 32 of the US Code. If there is a need for the guard to support the AD or reserves, we are put on Title 10 orders and fall under the leadership of the Active Duty command chain. For guard member in the Air National Guard serving in title 10 - they were under Andrews AF Base for ADCON - so when we had a member come home that got in trouble for Drugs - he was Court Marshaled and the guy next to him at the unit - who also get in trouble for Drugs as given an administrative discharge.
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After WWI, and the depression set in, the Veterans decided to demand the Bonuses that were to be paid in the 40s. They set up camp on the mall and was known as the Bonus Army. The President ordered Federal Troops in to break it up, but no shots were fired that I am aware of. There some that took issue with the fact that the troops had turned on their own. Usually for Law enforcement purposes, that falls to the National Guard. In the case of Berkley, the local police are not going to do anything if the speaker is a Conservative. That is selective law enforcement and of course Gov. Moonbeam isn't going to act and bring in the National Guard. I am of a mind that in the case of California, maybe they should declare Martial law and bring in whatever is needed, until such time as when California can responsibly govern itself. As for the Obama Administration and using Federal Troops to bolster that, I see a major conundrum. You had troops that had to deal with his limp wristed rules of engagement and not all that happy with him and loath to act in support of him, while at the same time. realizing they had an obligation under the Contract they signed. People are allowed to protest, but when it gets violent and destructive, then it needs to be put down. If Local Law enforcment is Unable or unwilling to do it, then somebody needs to be brought. You can't allow anarchy to rule.
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To quell the disturbances for Trump. HelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllNOoooooooooooooo
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Whether a riot is against President Trump, Mickey Mouse or some imagined race issue, the regular military has no business being involved in a domestic riot. The National Guard, however, is under the command of the state government until federalized. If the Governor deems it necessary, he/she should deploy National Guard troops to maintain the peace. Ferguson MO is a prime example of an out of control riot where the National Guard should have been deployed. With this use of National Guard troops in mind, NG should not be regularly deployed to in support of an international peace keeping missions abroad.
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I think it depends on how bad the protests get. Of course, use of live rounds can't be done, so non-lethals would have to be the way to go.
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Sp4 Byron Skinner. Sgt. James Hinch pretty much says it all. A lot of things would have to happen first before Federal TRoops could be called out for a local Civil Disobedience. First off the National Guard would have to be called out but as in the case of Los Angeles 1997 they couldn't get on site fast enough and there was gunfire and return gunfire happening and the Governor had to ask the Federal Government and near by Marines from Camp Pendleton came and with in hours the situations was cooled down. One Marine was asked by a rioter if he was/could arrest his and the Marine said no, he was not a sworn police officer but he could shoot the rioter. That seen to be understood and the riot in Koreatown receded. Could soldiers shoot an American civilian engaged in an act of Civil Disobedience if she/he meet the criteria of the ROE and was armed. Simple a soldier is expected to do his/her duty. Military Lives Matter Too.
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Posse Comitatus prevents Active and reserves from being used in law enforcement situations. There has been attempts to override this using NDAA. However most military will refuse to act as law enforcement because it can be precieved as a violation of our oaths and set us on a dangerous road. The use of military not being allowed to be used as law enforcement goes back to the revolutionary war. If things keep going the way they are we could be fighting another war on US soil. The bigger question is what role would the active and reserve military plan in this scenario, and would this be a violation of Posse Comitatus?
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There is no reason to respond to peaceful protests with military force, even if some civil disobedience is involved. It is the job of law enforcement to protect the rights of everyone involved to the best of their ability... that includes the peoples right to protest.
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If it ever gets to the pointwhere Congress suspends posse comitatus, we are in serious trouble.
It can happen, but God help us if it does.
It can happen, but God help us if it does.
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