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I think we are under represented, and a Patriot Party should be started.
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It was a thought, just tired of the lip service. Because you know when they say "thank you for your service"; really means I'm busy and the money people want me to work for them.
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SGT Francis Wright
Tommy
by Rudyard Kipling
I went into a public house to get a pint of cheer.
The owner up and says, "We serve no Red Coats here".
The girls behind the bar, they laughed and giggled fit to die.
I'm out into the street again and to myself says I;
O it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, an Tommy go away.
But it's "Thank you mister Adkins", when the band begins to play.
The band begins to play my boys, the band begins to play.
O it's "Thank you mister Adkins, when the band begins to play.
Yes, making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep.
Is cheaper than them uniforms, and they are starving cheap.
An hustlin drunken soldiers when they're going large a bit.
Is five times better than parading in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and "Tommy, own your soul"?
But it's "thin red line of heroes, when the drums begin to roll.
The drums begin to roll, by boys, the drums begin to roll.
O it's "thin red line of heroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red heroes, nor we aren't no back guards too.
But single men in barracks, most remarkably like you.
And if sometimes our conduct ain't all you fancy paints.
Why, single men in barracks don's grow into plaster saints.
While it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and Tommy fall be'end.
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir, when there's trouble in the wind.
There's trouble in the wind, by boys, there's trouble in the wind.
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk better food for us, and schools, and fires, and all.
We'll wait for extra rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook room slops, but prove it to our face.
The widow's uniform is not the soldier's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and "chunk him out, the bruit".
But it's "Savior of this country" when the guns begin to shoot.
And it's Tommy this and Tommy that, and anytime you please.
And Tommy ain't a blooming fool - you bet that Tommy sees.
Tommy
by Rudyard Kipling
I went into a public house to get a pint of cheer.
The owner up and says, "We serve no Red Coats here".
The girls behind the bar, they laughed and giggled fit to die.
I'm out into the street again and to myself says I;
O it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, an Tommy go away.
But it's "Thank you mister Adkins", when the band begins to play.
The band begins to play my boys, the band begins to play.
O it's "Thank you mister Adkins, when the band begins to play.
Yes, making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep.
Is cheaper than them uniforms, and they are starving cheap.
An hustlin drunken soldiers when they're going large a bit.
Is five times better than parading in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and "Tommy, own your soul"?
But it's "thin red line of heroes, when the drums begin to roll.
The drums begin to roll, by boys, the drums begin to roll.
O it's "thin red line of heroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red heroes, nor we aren't no back guards too.
But single men in barracks, most remarkably like you.
And if sometimes our conduct ain't all you fancy paints.
Why, single men in barracks don's grow into plaster saints.
While it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and Tommy fall be'end.
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir, when there's trouble in the wind.
There's trouble in the wind, by boys, there's trouble in the wind.
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk better food for us, and schools, and fires, and all.
We'll wait for extra rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook room slops, but prove it to our face.
The widow's uniform is not the soldier's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, and Tommy that, and "chunk him out, the bruit".
But it's "Savior of this country" when the guns begin to shoot.
And it's Tommy this and Tommy that, and anytime you please.
And Tommy ain't a blooming fool - you bet that Tommy sees.
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We're such a minority in this country; especially these days. We would not be any better represented. Our votes would just end up taking votes away from a worthy candidate (if such should be found) from one of the bigs...
SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
Good points, MSgt Joseph Dias.
You're talking about others using the military to gain political points for themselves.
I'm talking about the military becoming its own political entity.
We have the most powerful military force in the history of the world. It is dangerous enough when controlled by the ostensibly 'checked and balanced' civil government, but for it to gain political power in its own right would be an existential threat to our Constitutional Republic.
You're talking about others using the military to gain political points for themselves.
I'm talking about the military becoming its own political entity.
We have the most powerful military force in the history of the world. It is dangerous enough when controlled by the ostensibly 'checked and balanced' civil government, but for it to gain political power in its own right would be an existential threat to our Constitutional Republic.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
MSgt Joseph Dias, it seems like a slippery slope to tie political identity to military service.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
MSgt Joseph Dias, George Washington's Farewell Address is an unusual document to cite in support of the founding of a new political party, considering that in that speech his warning against parties is perhaps second in fame only to his warning against entangling foreign alliances. As you say, the best advice never followed.
No, we did not get started by a Military or Veteran political party. The military was not a political entity, and the Founders carefully placed it under civilian control in the Constitution. I am certainly not opposed to Veterans serving in politics, or even using Military service on their Resume, so to speak, as they seek election. But, a Veterans' Party would be difficult or impossible to separate from SM's, and tying political power to the Military is how one ends up with Military dictatorships and such things.
As far as I can tell, the only time that Washington's Military and Civil services may have overlapped was in 1758, when he served in both the Virginia Militia and the Virginia House of Burgesses. Unless, of course, you count the time that he led forces in his capacity as the Commander in Chief to put down the 'Whiskey Rebellion.' He was a leader with a variety of experiences on his Resume.
What would be the point of a Veterans' party? As you can see in nearly any discussion on RP, we are politically diverse. Obviously, the only thing the members of a Veterans' party would have in common would be Military service. Yes, you may say that we all support the Constitution, but there is little -- if any -- more agreement on what that really means in practical application than there is among the general public. The concerns of Veterans -- as Veterans -- are likely to be little distinguishable from the concerns of SM's -- as SM's; thus it would be difficult to exclude SM's from the party, and thus difficult to exclude SM's from the political power of the party. As I have noted, it would be dangerous to turn the most powerful military force in the history of the world into a political entity -- dangerous to the Constitution, and to the Freedoms the Constitution is to protect.
No, we did not get started by a Military or Veteran political party. The military was not a political entity, and the Founders carefully placed it under civilian control in the Constitution. I am certainly not opposed to Veterans serving in politics, or even using Military service on their Resume, so to speak, as they seek election. But, a Veterans' Party would be difficult or impossible to separate from SM's, and tying political power to the Military is how one ends up with Military dictatorships and such things.
As far as I can tell, the only time that Washington's Military and Civil services may have overlapped was in 1758, when he served in both the Virginia Militia and the Virginia House of Burgesses. Unless, of course, you count the time that he led forces in his capacity as the Commander in Chief to put down the 'Whiskey Rebellion.' He was a leader with a variety of experiences on his Resume.
What would be the point of a Veterans' party? As you can see in nearly any discussion on RP, we are politically diverse. Obviously, the only thing the members of a Veterans' party would have in common would be Military service. Yes, you may say that we all support the Constitution, but there is little -- if any -- more agreement on what that really means in practical application than there is among the general public. The concerns of Veterans -- as Veterans -- are likely to be little distinguishable from the concerns of SM's -- as SM's; thus it would be difficult to exclude SM's from the party, and thus difficult to exclude SM's from the political power of the party. As I have noted, it would be dangerous to turn the most powerful military force in the history of the world into a political entity -- dangerous to the Constitution, and to the Freedoms the Constitution is to protect.
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