Posted on Aug 25, 2020
Should there be more pay for the lateral promotion ranks I.e. SPC/CPL, MSG/1SG and SGM/CSM?
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The only one that is a lateral promotion is the SGM to CSM, they are on DA orders. For them I can see a difference in pay. For the temporary laterals, CPL and 1SG, I can see a specialty pay. None however should be permanent as now, CSMs can be reverted to SGM (by DA), and CPL, 1SG is simply a local decision.
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TSgt (Join to see)
SGT Robert Wager - No, but those are very rare. Mostly Combat Arms branches/units are authorized (by MTOE) Corporals, and are put on DA orders. For other units whose MTOE don't have CPL slots, for a SPC to be lateraled to CPL, the SPC has to be in a leadership position AND there are no SGTs available to fill the slot. A lot of 1SGs, although well-intentioned, try to put SPCs up for CPL just to give them leadership experience/responsibility. You can't do that, according to regs.
Another issue comes up when the unit-lateraled CPL goes to another unit; the CPL comes off and SPC goes back on. Sucks for the SPC having to get the gold braid taken off his/her uniform slacks, and hard stripes taken off the uniform blouse.
Another issue comes up when the unit-lateraled CPL goes to another unit; the CPL comes off and SPC goes back on. Sucks for the SPC having to get the gold braid taken off his/her uniform slacks, and hard stripes taken off the uniform blouse.
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TSgt (Join to see) - I did promote a SPC to a CPL. As you mention the 1SG pushed it, and as you mention the Regs are VERY narrow in regard to it. 1) The SPC has to be MOSQ for the billet, 2) there can't be another MOSQ E5 on my books that could fill the billet. AND THE BIG ONE!!!!! 3) The SPC has to be promotable to SGT. Which makes the whole thing moot.
I did this for my 1SG. The 1SG was new to the unit, and wanted to reward a high speed SPC, and it was all about the dog and pony show formation ceremony. I told the newly promoted CPL I better see a SGT promotion packet on my desk the following month.
So it really all was moot. He probably didn't even get a new CAC card with CPL before he made SGT.
I did this for my 1SG. The 1SG was new to the unit, and wanted to reward a high speed SPC, and it was all about the dog and pony show formation ceremony. I told the newly promoted CPL I better see a SGT promotion packet on my desk the following month.
So it really all was moot. He probably didn't even get a new CAC card with CPL before he made SGT.
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The Navy has it set up as SDAP - Special Duty Assignment Pay. Certain NECs get a bonus based on the billet and has to be recertified by the command each year. Most common is for the Command Master Chief / Chief of the Boat / or Command Senior Chief.
Certain Officer jobs also come with a bonus, but it varies based on your community (aviation / surface / specwar, etc).
Certain Officer jobs also come with a bonus, but it varies based on your community (aviation / surface / specwar, etc).
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For SPC to CPL, absolutely! That has got to be one of the worst jobs in the Army. SGTs and above treat them like garbage and pass off all the worst duties to them. At the same time the junior enlisted barely even care consider CPL a higher rank.
Pay them!!!
Pay them!!!
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If there is no difference in pay for a O3 or O5 between a command position and a staff position, why would there be one for an E8 or E9?
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Main reason I'll never accept another command. I hit MRD before I'm eligible for O6 so why would I put myself through all the extra headache and time to be a BN Commander for the same pay as a staff officer?
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
If you're doing it right, staff jobs are just as much work, and usually more, than a command team job.
The difference is on a command team, it's "your fault" every time one of 100 or 600 joes does something wrong, whereas on staff, it's "your fault" whenever one of five to seven joes does something wrong, and even when they do, it's rare that someone outside the section notices.
I guess DoD doesn't feel like more money should come with the responsibility and blame, or they don't believe that DFAS could pull off a new pay code for command time without effing it up.
The difference is on a command team, it's "your fault" every time one of 100 or 600 joes does something wrong, whereas on staff, it's "your fault" whenever one of five to seven joes does something wrong, and even when they do, it's rare that someone outside the section notices.
I guess DoD doesn't feel like more money should come with the responsibility and blame, or they don't believe that DFAS could pull off a new pay code for command time without effing it up.
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I vote yes... maybe bias though..LOL. But as a CPL I do all the work of the SGT to include appraisals, corrective actions, team Lead a fire team and conduct NCO training time for my guys, run lanes...etc. But I look at it as time spent learning my skills before taking my stripes, so it does not bother me. I know come end of November when I finish BLC, I will get my stripes and my raise. All part of the process of growth and development.
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NO. Does the military need to pay our E7-E9s more absolutely. Does the Army need to treat our E7-E9s as well as the Navy, absolutely.
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I say drop all NCO rank pays by a small amount - say $50 - and then create a slightly higher - say $75 - special pay like "command pat" or something similar. CPLs and 1SGs make more than SPCs and MSGs now (unless the MSG is a Det SGT, which is really a 1SG without the title), Team Leaders make more thannon-leading SGTs, PSGs and Staff NCOICs make more than SFCs hiding out in a G3, etc.
Provides incentive to go take those more demanding roles. I can't count the number of times I watched SFCs turn down challenging roles with 3-4 years left until retirement. They no longer wanted or considered promotion and therefore didn't eant the added burden. Even seen SFCs on staff or in orderly rooms while SSGs are filling PSG slots.
Provides incentive to go take those more demanding roles. I can't count the number of times I watched SFCs turn down challenging roles with 3-4 years left until retirement. They no longer wanted or considered promotion and therefore didn't eant the added burden. Even seen SFCs on staff or in orderly rooms while SSGs are filling PSG slots.
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LTC (Join to see)
I've turned down a couple of BN Commands for the same reason. I have two years until I can draw my retirement, 3 years until MRD. I'll never be considered for O6 so why should I put myself through all that extra headache and time to be a BN Commander?
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MAJ Byron Oyler
LTC (Join to see) -Are you good at what you do Sir? Are you comfortable with who took those commands taking care of soldiers as good as you would have? My apologies Sir, I am really not one to question someone senior to me in this nature and those questions are for anyone in our situation. I retire in 11months and would love nothing more than to be at the bedside taking care of the sick and injured but I have junior nurses that can do that and I need to be in leadership to share my experiences and do it more dedicated than the next person.
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I think they should receive a special duty pay based on their lateral or position.
- CPL
- 1SG
- Battalion CSM, Regimental CSM, Brigade CSM, Division CSM, Task Force CSM etc.
- CPL
- 1SG
- Battalion CSM, Regimental CSM, Brigade CSM, Division CSM, Task Force CSM etc.
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Must be an Army thing. WTH is a lateral promotion? Pay grade says it all, other Thant that it’s positional authority.
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SSG Brian G.
MCPO Roger Collins - Captain of a ship... have to be a certain rank but not all of that rank are Ships Captains. CAG is another one.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SSG Brian G. So, what is positional authority? Huge difference in seniority based authority positional authority. I replaced a CWO-4 as OIC, but never had the authority of a Commissioned Officer. Good new was it set me up for E-9.
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LT (Join to see)
SSG Brian G. - Difference is that the Captain of a ship is a title. Same with CAG and Commodore - all O-6 job titles, not ranks.
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